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298–32
- President Richard M. Nixon
- Hugh Scott
- Henry A. Kissinger
- White House operator
- Stephen B. Bull
- John C. Stennis
November 11, 1971
Conversation No. 298-32
Date: November 11, 1971
Time: 4:29 pm - 5:20 pm
Location: Executive Office Building
35
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
The President talked with Hugh Scott.
[Conversation No. 298-32A]
[See Conversation No. 14-49]
Henry A. Kissinger entered and talked with Scott at an unknown time after 4:29 pm.
[End of telephone conversation]
Hugh Scott
-John C. Stennis Amendment
The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:32 pm and
4:36 pm.
[Conversation No. 298-32B]
[See Conversation No. 14-50]
[End of telephone conversation]
Foreign aid program
-Senate vote
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Melvin R. Laird's call to Kissinger
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
-Leak
-Kissinger's attendance at Newsweek editors dinner
-Leak
-Kissinger's conversation with John A. Scali
-William P. Rogers
-Laird
-Newsweek
-Laird
-Haldeman
-Call to Kissinger
-Scali's conversation with Newsweek
36
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Lloyd Nolan
-Conversation with Daniel Z. Henkin
-Rogers's view
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:32 pm.
The President's schedule
-Byron Schumacher
Bull left at an unknown time before 4:36 pm.
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Rogers's views
-People's Republic of China [PRC] trip announcement
The President talked with Stennis between 4:36 pm and 4:37 pm.
[Conversation No. 298-32C]
[See Conversation No. 14-51]
[End of telephone conversation]
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Withdrawal rate
-Timing of subsequent announcement
-PRC trip announcement
-Residual forces
-Possible effect on PRC
-Timing of subsequent announcement
-Question and Answer [Q&A] session
-Evaluations
-Residual forces
-Negotiations
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-Ceasefire
-Forthcoming announcements
-PRC trip announcement
-Withdrawal rate
37
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Negotiations with North Vietnam
-Possible “peace offensive”
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Rogers
-Laird
-The President’s schedule
-The President's meeting with congressmen
-Gerald R. Ford
-Timing of subsequent announcements
-Negotiations
-[William J. Porter]
-Possible return from Paris
-Rogers and Laird
-Views regarding the President's decisions
-Laos, Cambodia, the President’s speech, November 3, 1969
-The President’s speech, May 14, 1969
-Rogers’s schedule
Cabinet
-Abraham Lincoln
-Carl Sandburg's book
-Edwin Stanton
-John N. Mitchell and John B. Connally
-Kissinger’s conversation with Haldeman
-Connally
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Rogers's conversation with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Rogers and Laird
-The President's policy
-Prospects
-South Vietnamese capability
-Thieu
-Recent election
-Foreign aid
-Residual force
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Timing of subsequent announcements
-Negotiations with North Vietnam
38
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Rogers's views
-Administration critics
-Possible proposal
-Withdrawal rate
-POWs
-Volunteers
-The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Administration critics
-Dean G. Acheson's theory
-Negotiations with North Vietnam
-The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Popularity
-Publicity
-Press
-Kissinger’s trip to PRC
-Informing people
-Foreign allies
-Kissinger's conversation with William McMahon
-Thieu
-Korean Ambassador [Dong Jo Kim]
-Congress
-Carl T. Curtis
-Press
-Clark MacGregor
-Leaks
-Laird
-Rogers and Laird
Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:37 pm.
Rogers
-Call to the President
Bull left at an unknown time before 5:20 pm.
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Timing of subsequent announcement
-PRC trip announcement
-Rogers
-Possible call from Kissinger
39
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Laird
-Withdrawal rate
-Creighton W. Abrams's possible call to Laird
-Laird's views
-Rogers's call to the President
-Forthcoming call to Rogers
-Haig
*****************************************************************
BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 6s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
*****************************************************************
-Kissinger
-Laird
-PRC
-Timing of subsequent announcements
Kissinger’s schedule
The President's forthcoming press conference
-Possible press questions
-US air power in Vietnam
-Vietnamization
-Communist infiltration of South Vietnam
-US ground forces
-Withdrawal
-Administration opponents
-US China policy
-“One China”
-India-Pakistan relations
-US military aid to Pakistan
-Partisan aspect
40
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Amount
-Spare parts
-Refugees
-East Pakistan
-Self-determination
-Use of force
-PRC
Israel
-US military aid
-Phantoms
-Leonid I. Brezhnev's proposal
-Rogers's treatment of Israel
-1972 election
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Phantoms
-United Nations [UN] speech
-Egypt
-Negotiations
-The President's role
-Possible meeting with Golda Meir
-[Unintelligible]
-Phantoms
-Joseph J. Sisco
Intelligence
-Reorganization
-Kissinger's conversation with W[illiam] Stuart Symington
-Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board [FIAB]
-Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
-Richard M. Helms
-View
-Role
-Kissinger's committee's role
-The President’s possible comments
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Kissinger's forthcoming call to Rogers
-The President's activities
-Clifford M. Hardin
41
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Pay Board
-Haldeman and Stephen B. Bull
-Pay Board
-Calls to Scott and Stennis
-Haig
-Laird's recommendations
Rogers
-The President's forthcoming trips to PRC and USSR
Cabinet
-Possible meeting
-Rogers and Laird
The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Chou En-lai's schedule
-Rogers
-Plenary session
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Kissinger's forthcoming call to Rogers
-The President's schedule
-Laird’s proposals
The President's schedule
-Pay Board
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Rogers
-Forthcoming call from Kissinger
-Possible call from the President
Berlin
-Rogers's phone conversations
-Kissinger and Haldeman
-[David] Kenneth Rush
Rogers
42
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
David Kraslow of the Los Angeles Times
-Conversation with Kissinger
-State Department briefing
-The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Cambodia
The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Richard F. Pederson's conversation with unknown person
-Adam Clymer of New York Times
-Planning
-Warsaw talks
-The President's orders to Walter J. Stoessel
-Kissinger's possible call to Kraslow
-State Department
-Rogers
-Pederson
State Department
-Rogers
-White House
-The President's forthcoming trips to PRC and USSR
-Preparation
-Papers
-The President's knowledge of foreign relations
-Knowledge of foreign relations
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Kissinger's forthcoming call to Rogers
-The President's activities
-Pay Board
-Haig's memorandum
-Laird's memorandum
-The President’s policy
-Prospects
-Rogers
-Kissinger’s forthcoming calls to Rogers and Laird, November 12, 1971
-Informing people
-[McMahon]
-Australian Ambassador [Sir James Plimsoll]
-Korean Ambassador [Dong Jo Kim]
43
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-The President's possible call to Rogers
Kissinger left at 5:20 pm.
Date: November 11, 1971
Time: 4:29 pm - 5:20 pm
Location: Executive Office Building
35
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
The President talked with Hugh Scott.
[Conversation No. 298-32A]
[See Conversation No. 14-49]
Henry A. Kissinger entered and talked with Scott at an unknown time after 4:29 pm.
[End of telephone conversation]
Hugh Scott
-John C. Stennis Amendment
The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:32 pm and
4:36 pm.
[Conversation No. 298-32B]
[See Conversation No. 14-50]
[End of telephone conversation]
Foreign aid program
-Senate vote
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Melvin R. Laird's call to Kissinger
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
-Leak
-Kissinger's attendance at Newsweek editors dinner
-Leak
-Kissinger's conversation with John A. Scali
-William P. Rogers
-Laird
-Newsweek
-Laird
-Haldeman
-Call to Kissinger
-Scali's conversation with Newsweek
36
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Lloyd Nolan
-Conversation with Daniel Z. Henkin
-Rogers's view
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:32 pm.
The President's schedule
-Byron Schumacher
Bull left at an unknown time before 4:36 pm.
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Rogers's views
-People's Republic of China [PRC] trip announcement
The President talked with Stennis between 4:36 pm and 4:37 pm.
[Conversation No. 298-32C]
[See Conversation No. 14-51]
[End of telephone conversation]
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Withdrawal rate
-Timing of subsequent announcement
-PRC trip announcement
-Residual forces
-Possible effect on PRC
-Timing of subsequent announcement
-Question and Answer [Q&A] session
-Evaluations
-Residual forces
-Negotiations
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-Ceasefire
-Forthcoming announcements
-PRC trip announcement
-Withdrawal rate
37
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Negotiations with North Vietnam
-Possible “peace offensive”
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Rogers
-Laird
-The President’s schedule
-The President's meeting with congressmen
-Gerald R. Ford
-Timing of subsequent announcements
-Negotiations
-[William J. Porter]
-Possible return from Paris
-Rogers and Laird
-Views regarding the President's decisions
-Laos, Cambodia, the President’s speech, November 3, 1969
-The President’s speech, May 14, 1969
-Rogers’s schedule
Cabinet
-Abraham Lincoln
-Carl Sandburg's book
-Edwin Stanton
-John N. Mitchell and John B. Connally
-Kissinger’s conversation with Haldeman
-Connally
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Rogers's conversation with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Rogers and Laird
-The President's policy
-Prospects
-South Vietnamese capability
-Thieu
-Recent election
-Foreign aid
-Residual force
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Timing of subsequent announcements
-Negotiations with North Vietnam
38
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Rogers's views
-Administration critics
-Possible proposal
-Withdrawal rate
-POWs
-Volunteers
-The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Administration critics
-Dean G. Acheson's theory
-Negotiations with North Vietnam
-The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Popularity
-Publicity
-Press
-Kissinger’s trip to PRC
-Informing people
-Foreign allies
-Kissinger's conversation with William McMahon
-Thieu
-Korean Ambassador [Dong Jo Kim]
-Congress
-Carl T. Curtis
-Press
-Clark MacGregor
-Leaks
-Laird
-Rogers and Laird
Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:37 pm.
Rogers
-Call to the President
Bull left at an unknown time before 5:20 pm.
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Timing of subsequent announcement
-PRC trip announcement
-Rogers
-Possible call from Kissinger
39
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Laird
-Withdrawal rate
-Creighton W. Abrams's possible call to Laird
-Laird's views
-Rogers's call to the President
-Forthcoming call to Rogers
-Haig
*****************************************************************
BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 6s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
*****************************************************************
-Kissinger
-Laird
-PRC
-Timing of subsequent announcements
Kissinger’s schedule
The President's forthcoming press conference
-Possible press questions
-US air power in Vietnam
-Vietnamization
-Communist infiltration of South Vietnam
-US ground forces
-Withdrawal
-Administration opponents
-US China policy
-“One China”
-India-Pakistan relations
-US military aid to Pakistan
-Partisan aspect
40
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Amount
-Spare parts
-Refugees
-East Pakistan
-Self-determination
-Use of force
-PRC
Israel
-US military aid
-Phantoms
-Leonid I. Brezhnev's proposal
-Rogers's treatment of Israel
-1972 election
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Phantoms
-United Nations [UN] speech
-Egypt
-Negotiations
-The President's role
-Possible meeting with Golda Meir
-[Unintelligible]
-Phantoms
-Joseph J. Sisco
Intelligence
-Reorganization
-Kissinger's conversation with W[illiam] Stuart Symington
-Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board [FIAB]
-Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
-Richard M. Helms
-View
-Role
-Kissinger's committee's role
-The President’s possible comments
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Kissinger's forthcoming call to Rogers
-The President's activities
-Clifford M. Hardin
41
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Pay Board
-Haldeman and Stephen B. Bull
-Pay Board
-Calls to Scott and Stennis
-Haig
-Laird's recommendations
Rogers
-The President's forthcoming trips to PRC and USSR
Cabinet
-Possible meeting
-Rogers and Laird
The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Chou En-lai's schedule
-Rogers
-Plenary session
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Kissinger's forthcoming call to Rogers
-The President's schedule
-Laird’s proposals
The President's schedule
-Pay Board
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Rogers
-Forthcoming call from Kissinger
-Possible call from the President
Berlin
-Rogers's phone conversations
-Kissinger and Haldeman
-[David] Kenneth Rush
Rogers
42
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
David Kraslow of the Los Angeles Times
-Conversation with Kissinger
-State Department briefing
-The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Cambodia
The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Richard F. Pederson's conversation with unknown person
-Adam Clymer of New York Times
-Planning
-Warsaw talks
-The President's orders to Walter J. Stoessel
-Kissinger's possible call to Kraslow
-State Department
-Rogers
-Pederson
State Department
-Rogers
-White House
-The President's forthcoming trips to PRC and USSR
-Preparation
-Papers
-The President's knowledge of foreign relations
-Knowledge of foreign relations
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Kissinger's forthcoming call to Rogers
-The President's activities
-Pay Board
-Haig's memorandum
-Laird's memorandum
-The President’s policy
-Prospects
-Rogers
-Kissinger’s forthcoming calls to Rogers and Laird, November 12, 1971
-Informing people
-[McMahon]
-Australian Ambassador [Sir James Plimsoll]
-Korean Ambassador [Dong Jo Kim]
43
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-The President's possible call to Rogers
Kissinger left at 5:20 pm.
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