475–4

Conversation No. 475-4

Date: April 6, 1971
Time: 11:55 am - unknown before 12:20 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman, Edward L. Morgan, Dana G. Mead, Jamie McLane,
John Gartland, John F. Evans, Jr., Edwin L. Harper, Raymond J. Waldman, Peter Michel,
William F. Rhatican, Donald B. Rice, Donald E. Crabill, David Page, Roger Adkins, Richard P.
Nathan, William Robinson, James Blum, Harry S. Havens, William Hamm, Wilfred H. Rommel,
C. William Fischer, Naomi Sweeney, Richard K. Cook, John Russell Dean, Bill Fuller, Murray
L. Weidenbaum, Robert Joss, Wallace H. Johnson, Richard W. Velde, Jerry Copf, Charles J.
Orlebeck, Henry Ahlgren, William W. Blunt, Jr., John P. Olsson, Malcolm R. Lovell, Jr.,
Christopher T. Cross, John R. Ottina, Ned Gramlich, and Larry Thompson; the White House
photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting

Greeting

General conversation
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President’s message to Congress
-Timing

Revenue sharing proposals
-Praise for team’s preparation of legislation
-Gratitude to everyone involved
-Importance of revenue sharing reform
-Previous legislative programs Conv. No. 475-4 (cont.)
-Bureau of the Budget
-Reform “revolutionary”
-Difficulties
-Congress
-Support in the agencies
-Support in the Cabinet
-Need for support
-Necessity for reform
-Congress
-Expectations
-Achievements of team
-Components of team
-Preparers of program
-Sellers of program
-Those working with Congress and country
-Need for confidence in proposals
-Battle in press, Congress
-Prospects
-Absence of alternatives
-Types of revenue sharing
-Tax credits
-Welfare reform
-Prospects
-Judgement of team
-Faith in people
-Mood of the country
-Intellectuals
-Praise for team’s efforts
-Machinery of government
-New “engine”, “body”
-Achievement
-Ehrlichman
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Presentation of gifts
-Paper weights
-Wives
-President’s conversation with motion picture actors and producers, April 5, 1971
-Wives and secretaries

[General conversation]
Conv. No. 475-4 (cont.)
Morgan, et al. left at 12:08 pm; Ehrlichman remained

Clifford M. Hardin
-Special revenue sharing
-Agriculture Extension Service
-President’s possible call to Hardin
-Avoiding reductions in service

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 12:10 pm

Photographing President during talk
-White House photographer
-Other photographers
-President’s instructions to Butterfield

[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 12:10 pm and
12:14 pm]

[Conversation No. 475-4A]

[See Conversation No. 1-5]

[End of telephone conversation]

Ehrlichman left at 12:14 pm

-Pictures

[The President talked with Hardin at an unknown time between 12:14 pm and 12:17 pm]

[Conversation No. 475-4B]

[See Conversation No. 1-6]
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Butterfield left at 12:16 pm
[The President talked with Claude W. Gifford at an unknown time between 12:14 pm and 12:17
pm]

[Conversation No. 475-4C]

[See Conversation No. 1-6A]
Conv. No. 475-4 (cont.)
[The President talked with Hardin between an unknown time between 12:14 pm and 12:17 pm]

[Conversation No. 475-4D]

[See Conversation No. 1-6B]