617–18

Conversation No. 617-18

Date: November 15, 1971
Time: 4:41 pm - 5:55 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Elliot L. Richardson, John D. Ehrlichman and Stephen B. Bull.

The President's schedule
-Sultan Mohammad Khan
-Maurice H. Stans
-William P. Rogers and Henry A. Kissinger

Bull left at an unknown time before 5:20 pm.

Constitutional amendment
-Desegregation
-Ronald W. Reagan
-Richardson's memorandum
-Busing
-Popular opinion
-Emotions
-Blacks
-The President's possible position
-Howard H. Baker, Jr.
-Campaign issue
-“60 Minutes” segment on Washingtonians' children in private schools
-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
-Mike Wallace
-Edmund S. Muskie
-George S. McGovern
-St. Alban's
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-Catholic private schools
-Richardson
-Children and Ehrlichman's daughter
-Interviews
-Nicholas von Hoffman
-Rev. Walter E. Fauntroy
-The President's daughters
-Horace Mann School
-Sidwell Friends
-Fauntroy
-Unknown women from Pontiac, Michigan
-The President's decision
-Conversation with John N. Mitchell
-California Constitution
-Conversation with Mitchell
-House of Representatives
-Possible vote
-Timing
-Busing
-Use of Constitution
-Emergency School Aid Act
-Samuel J. Ervin, Jr. Amendments to legislation
-Compared with House amendment
-Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW] and Justice
Department
-Title VI
-Civil Rights Act of 1964

Education
-Pending legislation
-Senate
-Richardson's conversation with Claiborne H. Pell
-Amendments

Welfare
-Reagan
-Mitchell
-[Work Relief Demonstration Project]
-Possible resolution
-The President's schedule
-Status
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-The President's role
-Nelson A. Rockefeller and Richard B. Ogilvie
-Schedule
-Mitchell
-The Vice President [Spiro T. Agnew]
-Memorandum
-Richardson's conversation with Reagan, November 12, 1971
-Possible conversation with Richardson
-Resolution
-Negotiation
-Cabinet level
-Views regarding Robert H. Finch
-John G. Veneman
-Richardson’s role as negotiator
-Conversations with the President
-[Work Relief Demonstration Project]
-House Resolution [HR] 1
-Possible resolution
-Rockefeller
-Negotiations with Richardson
-Case load
-Employees

Child development legislation
-Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
-Legislative status
-Day care services
-Fee scale
-Congress
-Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
-The President’s message
-HR 1
-Provisions
-Intent
-Development
-Health defects screening
-Education
-Head Start Program
-Welfare reform
-Funding
-Head Start
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-Day care
-Social Security Act
-Title IV
-States
-HR 1
-Eligibility for financial assistance
-Level of free care
-Cost
-Cost
-Possible veto
-Richardson's testimony
-Cost
-HR 1
-Notch problem
-Harrison A. Williams, Jr.
-Disincentive to work
-Medicaid
-Senate Finance Committee
-1970 hearings
-Family health insurance
-Graduated scale of payments
-Graduated scale of payments
-Work for welfare mothers
-Cost
-Possible veto
-Implementation
-Congressional interests
-Conservatives
-John Brademas-Ronald V. Dellums faction
-Decision
-Timing
-Status
-Congressional committees
-Labor and public welfare
-Education and labor
-OEO legislation
-Problems
-Jacob K. Javits's efforts
-OEO legislation
-Javits
-Conversations with Richardson
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-Possible veto

Value Added Tax [VAT]
-Property tax reform
-Ehrlichman's possible conversations
-Richardson
-John B. Connally

Education
-Aid to private schools
-Possible opposition
-Catholics
-Property tax relief
-National Education Association
-Richardson's meetings with [Forename unknown] Msgr. Hopewald [sp?]
-National Defense Education Act of 1958
-Richardson's contacts with Catholics
-Terence Cardinal Cooke
-Washington Post article regarding Reuben O. Askew
-Issues
-Taxes
-Race

Askew
-Compared to James E. (“Jimmy”) Carter
-Constituency

Education
-The President's position
-Desegregation

Stans, Rogers and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. entered at 5:20 pm.

Stans's forthcoming trip to Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]

Secretary of Agriculture

Richardson and Ehrlichman left at 5:21 pm.
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HEW
-Richardson's handling
-Finch's health

Richardson
-Harvard University
-Boxing

Stans's forthcoming trip to USSR
-Originality
-Public interest
-The President’s forthcoming trip to USSR

USSR foreign trade
-Andrei A. Gromyko
-Link
-Political accommodation
-US share
-Stans's forthcoming trip to USSR
-Arms control
-US exports
-Value to USSR
-Compared to US
-Hungary
-Romania
-US negotiations with USSR
-Conference on European Security
-Mutual and Balance Force Reduction [MBFR]
-Berlin
-US business interest
-Donald McI. Kendall
-Effect on negotiations
-Stans's forthcoming trip to USSR
-Export-import credits
-Most favored nation [MFN] status
-Joint ventures with foreign companies
-Compared with US joint ventures with foreign companies
-Romania, Yugoslavia
-Natural resources
-Oil, gas, copper
-Product sharing
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-Natural gas
-Compared to Algerian venture

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 5:21 pm.

Photographer

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 5:50 pm.

Stans's forthcoming trip to USSR
-US relations with the USSR
-Conference on European Security

Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins entered at an unknown time after 5:21 pm.

-The President's forthcoming trip

Atkins left at an unknown time before 5:50 pm.

USSR foreign trade
-Assets
-Gold
-Reserves
-Petroleum
-Chrome
-Stans's forthcoming trip
-Credit
-MFN status
-Linkage
-Political accommodation
-MFN
-Export-Import Bank
-Vietnam
-Joint venture
-Manufactured goods
-Machine tools
-USSR economy
-Technology
-Ford Motor Company and General Motors [GM]
-Stans’s comments to business
-License fees
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Stans's forthcoming trip to USSR
-Stans’s possible strategy
-Soviets
-Japan
-Itinerary
-Leningrad
-Georgia
-Baku
-Tbilisi
-Samarkand
-Tashkent
-Samarkand
-Genghis Khan
-Tamerlane
-Asiatic citizens
-Unknown place
-Valley of Apples
-Siberia
-Sverdlovsk
-Lake Baikel
-Moscow
-Kremlin
-Subway

People's Republic of China [PRC]
-Civil defense preparations
-Rogers's conversation with Pakistan diplomat
-Peking
-Underground tunnels
-Kissinger
-Analogy to US civil defense
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
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-The president's conversation with a foreigner
-Korean War
-Chinese intervention
-James D. (“Don”) Hughes’s experience
-Yalu River
-Population

USSR
-Population
-William C. Bullitt

Stans's forthcoming trip
-Sweden
-Warsaw
-John A. Volpe's previous trip
-Sweden
-Relations with US
-Warsaw
-Relations with US
-MFN status
-Credit
-Romania
-Possible comments
-Stans’s experience
-Politics
-MFN
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-Credits
-Need for new policies
-The President’s forthcoming trip to USSR
-1972 election
-Vietnam
-Stans’s experience
-USSR
-Nikita S. Khrushchev's book
-1960 election
-Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
-The President's character
-The President's conversation with Josip Broz Tito
-Leonid I. Brezhnev and Aleksei N. Kosygin

The President's previous meeting with Congressmen
-Budget
-Continuing resolution
-Mitchell's opinion
-Allen J. Ellender
-Public services
-Vietnam
-Anti-Deficiency Act
-Provisions
-Previous occurrences
-Authorizations
-Foreign aid
-Michael J. Mansfield

John C. Stennis
-Call from Rogers
-Richard B. Russell's death
-Conversation with the President
-National defense
-Senate

The President's previous conversation with George E. Allen
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-Stennis
-Supreme Court
-William J. Brennan, Jr.
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Stans's forthcoming trip
-Negotiating strategy
-US business
-Stans’s possible comments
-The President's schedule
-Stans’s schedule

North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] Ambassadorship
-Peter M. Flanigan's efforts
-Mansfield D. Sprague
-Walter J. Stoessel, Jr.
-Charles D. (“Tex”) Thornton
-Sprague
-Flanigan

Stans. et al., left at 5:55 pm.