786–21

Conversation No. 786-21

Date: September 25, 1972
Time: 12:49 pm - 1:09 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Dr. Charles A. (“Carl”) Hoffman, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., and James H.
Cavanaugh; the White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

Greetings

[Photograph session]

Edward M. Kennedy health insurance plan
-Political aspects
-Democratic platform
-1972 election
-Philosophy
-Cost
-Numbers of doctors, hospitals, nurses
-Medicare
-Hoffman's forthcoming talk to dentists, doctors
-Hoffman’s recent talk to insurance group
-Kennedy’s 1971 statement to American Medical Association
[AMA]
-Dr. Benjamin Rush Award

Medical profession
-The President’s personal contacts
-Dr. John C. Lungren
-New York
-Dr. Victor DeLuccia
-Public relations
-Business community
-International cooperation
-Soviet Union
-The People’s Republic of China [PRC]
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Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)

-Developments in medicine
-Youth, women
-Cancer, heart disease, arthritis
-The President’s previous meeting with Soviet Union Minister of Health
[Boris V. Petrovsky]
-Petrovsky’s health
-Open heart surgery
-US-Soviet Union
-Resident’s interchange
-Specialty groups
-Hoffman’s letter to the President
-New York
-Hospitals
-Rural areas
-Soviets
-The PRC
-Genetics
-Asians
-Japanese, Chinese
-Caucasians
-Acupuncture
-The President’s conversation with Chou En-
Lai and other leaders
-Cancer
-Political barriers
-Medical cooperation

Hoffman’s forthcoming trip to American Indian reservations, January 1973
-Audrey Cameron
-Hoffman’s age
-Hoffman’s interests

Medical profession
-International cooperation
-The President’s conversation with PRC nurses
-Arms control
-Disease
-Hoffman’s previous trip to the Soviet Union
-Georgia’s Minister of Health
-The PRC
-Health care
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Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)

-Fact finding
-Japanese
-Western Europe
-US
-Cooperation with smaller countries
-Africans
-Latin America
-Number of doctors
-Hoffman’s visit to Nairobi, Kenya, 1971
-Medicine
-Latin America
-Hoffman’s possible trip to encourage doctors

Hoffman's plans
-The PRC situation
-Schedule
-Hawaii, December, 1972
-Possible trip to PRC
-Chicago [?]
-AMA
-Doctors in rural areas
-Richmond, Milwaukee, Denver
-Cavanaugh
-Resident interchange

U.S. medical system
-Lawyers
-The President’s background
-Doctors
-Change
-Kennedy health insurance plan
-Quality
-Comparison to Great Britain
-Changes
-Catastrophic insurance coverage
-Burns, strokes
-Distribution of physicians
-Catastrophic insurance coverage
-Hoffman’s background in Urology
-Avoiding abuses
-Listing conditions
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Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)

-Hemophilia, strokes, heart surgery
-Time
-Hoffman’s previous dinner with unknown
Department of Health, Education an
Welfare [HEW] official
-Burn cases

The President’s family
-[Harold Nixon]
-Health
-Tuberculosis
-Frank Nixon, Hannah Milhous Nixon

Hoffman’s first wife
-Tuberculosis

The President’s family
-Harold Nixon
-Pneumothorax

Improvements in medicine
-Pneumonia
-Carbuncle
-Compared to boil
-Antibiotics

The President’s family
-Frank Nixon
-Health
-Age at death
-Arthritis
-Gout

The President’s previous meeting with Petrovsky
-Arthritis

The President's previous visits to senior citizens home
-Cortisone

Medical research
-Arthritis
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Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)

-Cancer
-Urology
-Progress
-Arthritis
-Types
-Atrophic
-Hypertrophic
-Therapy

Hoffman, Cavanaugh, and Cole left at 1:09 pm.