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478–2
  • President Richard M. Nixon
  • H. R. Haldeman
  • White House operator
  • George A. Lincoln
  • Henry A. Kissinger
  • Peter G. Peterson
  • Ronald L. Ziegler
  • Emily (Sears) Lodge
  • Stephen B. Bull
  • White House photographer
April 13, 1971
Conversation No. 478-2

Date: April 13, 1971
Time: 9:30 am - 11:13 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
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Cabinet
-Structure of meetings
-Structured and non-structured
-William P. Rogers
-Comparison
-Agenda
-Congress
-Staff Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-John B. Connally
-John A. Volpe
-George W. Romney
-Maurice H. Stans
-Winton M. (“Red”) Blount
-Rogers C. B. Morton
-Subjects
-Questions
-Structured meeting
-Subjects
-Volpe
-Cabinet officers
-Purpose
-Stans
-Problems of business
-Commerce Department
-Transportation Department
-Stans
-Commerce Department
-Minority Enterprise office
-Business community
-Census Bureau
-Agriculture Department
-Programs

Media
-Leonard Garment’s appearance on “Today Show”
-News summary
-President’s notation
-Evaluation

Cabinet meeting [on civilian uses of nuclear energy], April 13, 1971
-Participants
-Howard H. Baker, Jr.
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-Chet Holifield
-John O. Pastore
-John B. Anderson
-Compared to Cabinet
-National exposure
-Need for assertiveness
-Romney and Volpe
Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
Governors
-Evaluation
-Richard B. Ogilvie and Volpe
-Ronald W. Reagan and Nelson A. Rockefeller

News item
-Vance Hartke
-Contributions from business
-Trucking industry
-Follow-up

President’s schedule
-James E. Bassett
-Possible meeting with the President
-Rose Mary Woods
-Book
-Previous meeting with the President

[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:30 am and
9:36 am]

[Conversation No. 478-2A]

[See Conversation No. 1-73]

[End of telephone conversation]

[The President talked with General George A. Lincoln between 9:36 am and 9:40 am]

[Conversation No. 478-2B]

[See Conversation No. 1-74]

[End of telephone conversation]
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Texas disaster
-Crop
-Governor
-Connally
-John G. Tower

Economy Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-Stock market
-Advance from November 5, 1968 to January 20, 1969
-Shares traded since low
-Trading, April 12, 1971
-Financial writers
-Arthur F. Burns
-Confidence
-Increase
-Bull market
-Need for publicity
-Periscope
-[Charles W. Colson’s efforts?]
-Wall Street Journal
-Advance
-Bernard J. (“Bunny”) Lasker
-Possible dinner for financial writers
-President’s forthcoming Chamber of Commerce speech, April 26, 1971
-William L. Safire
-Anniversary of message about National Invest-in-America Week, April 27,
1970
-Length
-Subjects
-First quarter figures
-Consumer confidence
-Current state of economy
-Inflation and unemployment
-Caution
-Waste and responsibility
-Body of speech
-Technology
-Productivity
-Paul W. McCracken
-Five-point program
-Technology, unemployment
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-Peroration
-Businessmen
-Consumer
-President’s philosophy
-Location of power
-Foreign policy
-Economic policy
-Revenue sharing Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-Thrust
-System
-National Association of Manufacturers [NAM]
-Theme
-Length
-System
-President’s meeting with American Society of Newspaper Editors [ASNE],
April 16, 1971

Administration
-Attitude
-Negativism
-Congress
-Report by William E. Timmons and Clark MacGregor
-91st Congress
-Administration’s record
-Circumstances
-Possible story
-Richard A. Moore
-Safire

Press
-Possible administration stories
-Stock market
-Thomas E. Dewey
-J. Edgar Hoover

Staff
-Need for confidence in economy
-Stans
-Connally
-Compared to Congressmen and Senators
-Volpe
-Romney
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-Problem
-Tenure
-Timmons-MacGregor report
-Need to publicize
-Need for confidence

Press
-Attitude Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-Problem
-Cambodia
-Vietnam
-Laos
-Casualties
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Vietnam casualties
-[Forename unknown] Ellison
-Publicity
-Lois [sp?] [Surname unknown]
-Networks
-Attitudes

Visit of United States’ ping-pong team to People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-Unknown man discussed
-Views on Mao Tse-tung
-Reaction
-News stories
-John A. Scali
-Kissinger
-Publicity
-Newsworthiness
-President’s image
-Peace maker
-Secretary of State
-Kissinger’s possible conversation with Scali

President’s schedule
-Scali
-Possible meeting with President
-John C. Stennis
-Hearings on draft extension and military pay increase
-Margaret Chase Smith
-Senate action
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-Melvin R. Laird
-Florida plans
-Giuseppe Saragat’s visit
-Key Biscayne
-Timing
-Agriculture day
-Saragat visit
-Kissinger Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-Saragat visit
-Length
-Meeting
-Lunch
-Conversation
-Honorary degree
-[Forename unknown] Colbert [sp?]
-Wife
-First Marine Division
-Kissinger
-Return to Camp Pendleton
-Timing
-Demonstration
-King [Moulay] Hassan II dinner
-Camp David
-Possible California trip
-Parade
-Presentation of unit citation by President
-New General
-Ceremonies

Kissinger entered at 9:59 am

-Symbolism
-Timing
-Demonstrations
-King Hassan II dinner
-Chamber of Commerce speech
-Florida plans
-Marine division
-Timing of ceremony
-Possible California trip
-Ceremony
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Demonstrations
-Kissinger’s meeting with Frank F. Mankiewicz
-Crowd estimates
-Veterans parade
-Crowd estimates
Vietnam
-Kissinger’s conversation with McGeorge Bundy
-President’s conversation with Kissinger at dinner, April 12, 1971
Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-Franklin D. Roosevelt
-Abraham Lincoln
-Mary Todd Lincoln
-Loss of brothers in Civil War
-Cabinet
-Disloyalty
-Edwin Stanton
-Draft riots
-New York City
-Press

Media
-Supportive press
-Richmond Times Dispatch
-New York Daily News
-Chicago Tribune
-Television coverage
-Vietnam casualties
-News item

Vietnam
-Kissinger’s conversation with Bundy
-Unknown Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] United Nations [UN] official
-Ping-pong team
-Leonid I. Brezhnev
-Speech
-David Rockefeller
-Negotiations
-President’s position
-Deadline
-Prisoners of War [POWs]
-Bombing of civilians
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-Laos
-Bundy

Staff
-Scali
-Role defined
-Press briefing
-John N. Mitchell Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-Scali

Media
-Kissinger’s appearances on television
-Time and Newsweek
-Television commentators
-John W. Chancellor
-David Brinkley
-White House staff
-Time and Newsweek stories
-Interest
-Chart
-US News and World Report
-Chart
-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
-William H. Carruthers
-Chart
-President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Scali

India-Pakistan conflict
-Agha Muhommad Yahya Khan
-USSR
-Aleksei N. Kosygin
-US policy
-State Department
-West Pakistan
-Scali

Peter G. Peterson
-Talking points for meeting with Time/Life editors
-President’s schedule

PRC
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-Scali’s views regarding visits of ping-pong team
-President’s image
-Peace maker
-President’s initiatives
-Scali
-Credit to Administration

Economy Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-Stock market
-Rise
-President’s meeting with financial analysts
-News story in Periscope and Wall Street Journal

Peterson’s meeting with Time/Life editors
-Vietnam
-Troop withdrawals
-International situation
-PRC
-President’s initiatives
-Haldeman
-Foreign Service
-Kremlinologists
-USSR
-Relations with USSR
-US position
-Relaxation of trade restrictions
-Trade relations with USSR
-Linkage
-Timing

PRC
-Chou En-lai
-Meeting with US ping-pong team
-Announcement regarding relaxation of US trade restrictions
-Walter L. Cronkite, Jr.
-News summary
-News leaks
-Publicity
-Dangers
-USSR

USSR
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-Summit meeting

PRC
-Scali
-President’s initiatives
-Points for Peterson’s meeting with Time/Life editors
-Isolation
-President’s initiatives Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-Timing

[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:59 am and
10:16 am]

[Conversation No. 478-2C]

[See Conversation No. 1-75]

[End of telephone conversation]

PRC
-Trade restrictions

President’s schedule
-Henry Cabot Lodge
-Possible trip to Vietnam

[The President talked with Peterson between 10:16 am and 10:21 am]

[Conversation No. 478-2D]

[See Conversation No. 1-76]

[End of telephone conversation]

PRC
-Peterson’s briefing with Time/Life editors
-Possible exploitation by Administration
-State Department
-Marshall Green
-Possible press story
-Initiative
-Scali’s role
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-Instructions to Kissinger
-Publicity

President’s schedule
-Possible interview with John McRoberts
-Timing

PRC Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-State Department
-Green
-Credit for initiative
-Stewart J. O. Alsop
-Richard (“Dick”) Wilson
-William S. White
-Instructions to Kissinger
-Announcement regarding relaxation of trade restrictions

Taiwan
-Robert D. Murphy

Haldeman left at 10:25 am

-Green


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
[National Security]
[Duration: 39s ]


TAIWAN


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7

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PRC
-Ping-pong team
-UN representation

Taiwan
-UN representation
-State Department
-Murphy Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-Chiang Kai-shek
-President’s possible speech
-State Department
-George H. W. Bush
-William P. Rogers
-Murphy

Vietnam
-Media coverage
-Binh Dinh province
-American Broadcasting Company [ABC]

Kissinger’s meeting with Mankiewicz
-Liberals
-Demonstrators
-Crowd estimates
-Mankiewicz’s reaction
-President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Lieutenant William L. Calley, Jr.

Press
-Peterson’s meeting with Time/Life editors
-Time
-Newsweek
-White

Vietnam
-Bryce N. Harlow’s view
-Democrats
-Withdrawal issue
-Congress
-President’s position
-Cambodia
-Indonesia
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-Economic assistance
-Military assistance
-Negotiations
-Chou En-lai
-Visit to Hanoi
-North Vietnamese attitude
-PRC
Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
PRC
-Unknown ping-pong player
-Mao Tse-tung
-Benefits of exchange

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 10:32 am

Preparation for Ziegler’s press briefing
-PRC
-Athletic teams exchange
-Relaxation of trade and travel restrictions
-Possible questions
-President’s position
-Forthcoming announcement
-Timing
-Impact
-Federal Communications Commission [FCC]
-ABC
-New York Times
-Democratic Party
-Partisanship
-President’s position
-Republican Party
-Fairness
-PRC
-April 14, 1971 story

Ziegler’s schedule
-Tricia Nixon

Ziegler left at 10:37 am
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President’s schedule
-Meeting with Lodge
-Vietnam
-Police forces

Vietnam
-Sir Robert Thompson
-Report on police forces Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-Peace initiatives

PRC
-Forthcoming announcement of relaxation of trade and travel restrictions, April 14,
1971
-Possible press reaction
-Ziegler
-Department of State
-Possible leak to press
-Marvin L. Kalb
-Cronkite
-Rogers

Lodge and an unknown man entered at 10:38 am; the White House photographer and members
of the press were present

Greetings

Kissinger left at 10:39 am

Photograph

Ping-pong

Golf

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 10:42 am

Statue

PRC
-Visit of ping-pong team
-Significance
-Newsmen
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10
[National Security]
[Duration: 16m 2s ]
Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)

THE VATICAN

Kissinger entered at 10:42 am


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10

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Vietnam
-Possible trip by Lodge
-Timing
-Thompson
-Report on police
-David M. Kennedy
-Trip
-Military activity
-Cambodia
-Central Highlands
-Binh Dinh province
-Casualties
-Ellsworth F. Bunker
-General Nguyen Van Thieu
-Lieutenant General Duong Van (“Big Minh”) Minh
-Lodge’s possible trip
-Thieu
-Election
-US position
-Withdrawal
-Reception for Minh
-Bunker
-Thieu
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-Importance
-1963 Coup
-General Nguyen Khanh
-Compared with Nguyen Cao Ky
-Ky
-Thieu
-Ky
-President’s position Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-US economic assistance
-Anti-American sentiment
-President’s esteem for
-Candidate
-Economic assistance
-Philippines
-Elections
-Withdrawal
-Ky
-Lodge’s role
-Age
-Need for unity
-Casualties
-Withdrawal
-Bombing
-Cambodia
-Political Upheaval
-Ky
-Prospects
-Bunker
-Candidates
-Thieu
-Ky
-Minh
-Tran Van Dong
-Lai Van Tim [sp?]
-Ngo Dinh Diem
-Minh
-Thieu
-US announcement
-Bunker
-General Creighton W. Abrams, Jr.
-General Frederick C. Weyand
-Troop withdrawals
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-Levels

Lodge’s schedule

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11
[Personal Returnable] Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
[Duration: 25s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11

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President’s greetings to Emily (Sears) Lodge

Kissinger and Lodge left at 11:07 am

McCracken entered at 11:08 am; the White House photographer and members of the press were
present

[General conversation]

Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]

Photograph

Economy
-Stock market

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:08 am

President’s schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:13 am

Stock market
-Dow-Jones average
-Rise
-Bull market
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-Volume
-Brokerage firms
-Profits
-Merrill Lynch & Company

Consumer Price Index [CPI]
-Prospects
-Rise Conv. No. 478-2 (cont.)
-1970 figures
-Predictions for 1971
-Confidence

McCracken left at 11:13 am
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