61–2

Conversation No. 61-2

Date: June 14, 1971
Time: Unknown between 11:54 am and 11:59 pm
Location: Cabinet Room

Frank T. Gladney met with John J. McNamara, C. J. Coughlin, William W. Winpisinger, Charles
J. Chamberlain, Anthony L. Krause, C. L. Dennis, J. R. Tipton, A. T. Otto, Jr., Charles R.
Pfenning, J. W. O’Brien, Richard W. Smith, James E. Yost, Charles E. Goodlin, Harold C.
Crotty, Charles Luna, John A. Volpe, Charles W. Colson, George T. Bell, and Willie J. Usery, Jr.
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[General conversation/Unintelligible]

The President and James D. Hodgson entered at 4:34 pm

Introduction of railway union leaders

Photo opportunities

[General conversation/Unintelligible]

Attendance at meeting

Reasons for meeting
-Focus on national problems
-Meeting with railroad executives
-Railroad future
-Importance of railroad to economy
-Industry problems
-New capital
-Regulatory reforms
-Monopolistic trends
-Trucking
-Airlines
-Work with railroad industry
-Interstate Commerce Commission [ICC]
-Industry problems
-Taxation
-Effect on jobs
-Effect on railroad competition
-Reinvestment of profits
-Effect
-Responsibility for problems
-Railroad stock
-Public perception
-Advantages of railroad industry
-Need for constructive ideas
-Problems as pointed out by railroad executives

Labor perspective on railroad problems
-Decline of industry
-Composition of work force
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-Effectiveness of regulation
-History of regulation
-Trucking industry
-Industry problems
-Government interest in labor-management stability
-Usery’s role
-Grievance procedures
-Bargaining changes
-Open contracts
-Contract negotiating
-Focus on fundamentals
-Bargaining trends
-Progress in industry
-Operations
-Railroad’s role in trade
-Compared with 1950s
-Railroad’s competitive position
-Industry future
-National Railroad Passenger Corporation/American Track [AMTRAK]
negotiations
-Report of joint railroad/union meeting
-Illinois Central
-Need for changes in railroad operations
-Obstacles
-Freight loss
-Industry task forces
-Finance
-Yard operations
-Prosperity of railroad
-Role of workers
-Prospects for railroad prosperity
-Owners of railroads
-Other interests
-Joint report
-Content
-Benefits
-Report from unions
-Railroad presidents’ committee’s relation to union presidents’ committee
-Negotiating committee
-Background
-Responsibility
-Union responsibility
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-Need for railroad presidents’ participation
-Strikes
-Recent
-Forthcoming
-Necessity
-Avoidance
-Exchange of information
-Need for railroad presidents’ active participation
-Louis Menk
-Jack Fishwick
-William Johnson
-Edd Hamilton Bailey
-Benjamin F. Biaggini
-Graham Claytor
-Jack Hill
-Menk’s part in negotiations
-Fishwick
-Hill’s responsibility
-Railroad presidents
-Bill Luxy [?]
-Effect on unions
-Timing on negotiations
-Regulation of railroads compared to regulation of other industries
-Airlines
-Shipping
-Trucking
-Railroad’s concern of legislation
-Benefits of contact between union leaders and railroad presidents
-Experience of union leaders
-Management
-The President’s schedule
-Regulatory situation
-Standards of operations
-Central New Jersey Railroad
-Maintenance shortcomings
-Effect
-Computerization
-Safety of track
-Maintenance needs
-Rail safety legislation
-Safety
-Union role
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-Role of adequate oversight
-Letter file
-Management role
-Need for discussion by top level executives
-Dennis
-Luna
-Maintenance situation
-Effort to free railroad money for maintenance
-Competition for railroad
-Aid to railroad competitions
-Railroad taxes
-Inequities
-Freight
-Percentage of non-compensatory freight
-Charges
-Management
-Volume
-Prospects
-Need for growth
-Containers
-Benefits
-New efforts
-Investment in railroads
-Regulation situation
-Role of ICC
-Investment by railroads in other ventures
-Recently concluded negotiations
-Reduction in outside investment
-The President’s family background
-Early goals

Presentation of gifts by the President
-Cuff links
-Pins for wives
-Reelection and salary increase for unknown labor leader

Administration’s role in railroad industry
-Volpe
-Hodgson
-Usery

The President left at 5:29 pm
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[General conversation/Unintelligible]

Gladney, et al. left at an unknown time before 11:59 pm