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- President Richard M. Nixon
- Andrew J. Goodpaster
- Henry A. Kissinger
- Manolo Sanchez
- Stephen B. Bull
August 7, 1972
Conversation No. 763-12
Date: August 7, 1972
Time: 10:18 am – 10:49 am
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Gen. Andrew J. Goodpaster and Henry A. Kissinger.
Greetings
14
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
Kissinger's schedule
-Trips to Paris
-Le Duc Tho
Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 10:18 am.
Refreshments
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 10:49 am.
North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] and Europe
-Goodpaster’s conversation with Kissinger
-Goodpaster’s interaction with Europeans
-Goodpaster’s influence
-Elections
-West Germany
-France
-Britain
-Forthcoming European Economic Community [EEC] membership
-EEC
-Economic relationship with the US
-Goodpaster’s possible role as advisor
-European confidence in the US
-Goodpaster’s possible role
-Major issues
-Force strengths
-US
-Formula of comparable effort
-European force strengths
-Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction [MBFR]
-European Security Conference
-US relations with France
-Contingency planning
-French forces in West Germany
-Common exercises
15
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Exchanges of information
-Air defense
Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 10:18 am.
-Goodpaster’s meeting with Michel Debre
-Goodpaster’s previous meeting with Francois Maurin
-Tone of relations
-Goodpaster’s view
-Gen. Charles A.J.M. DeGaulle’s decision [French withdrawal from
NATO]
-Debre
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 10:49 am.
-Tactical nuclear policy
-US policy debates
-Goodpaster’s policy
-Maintenance and development of capabilities
-Visibility of capabilities to the Soviet Union
-Risk of escalation
-Deterrence
-US policy
-John H. (“Jack”) Morse
-Naval career
-Atomic Energy Commission [AEC]
-Office of the Secretary of Defense, International Security
Affairs [OSD-ISA]
-Study
-Forthcoming briefing for Kissinger
-Options
-Burden of uncertainty
-Soviet Union
-Deterrence
-Goodpaster’s view
16
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Option approach
-Capabilities
-Flexibility
-Modernization of stockpile
-Soviet weapons systems
-Tactical missile launches
-SCUD missiles
-FROG missiles
-Deployment with forward units
-Lack of artillery
-Tactical aircraft
-Launch systems
-Storage sites
-Satellite countries
-Material Production
-European Security
-Winston S. Churchill quotation from Fulton, Missouri
speech
-Joint tactical nuclear capability
-Fear of escalation
-Strength in Europe
-US
-MBFR
-Possible reduction in the numbers of Soviet Union and US tanks
-Effect on Soviet offensive capability
-West Germany
-Ronald W. Reagan’s view
-Reagan’s previous conversation with Sir Alexander F. Douglas-Home
-Possible German concern
-Lack of cooperation by the US on nuclear matters
-Consultation with the US on use of weapons
-MBFR
-Letter from Willy Brandt to the President
-Brandt’s meeting with Georges J.R. Pompidou
-Newsweek article
17
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-NATO concerns
-Soviet Union
-European Security Conference
-Italy
-[James] Harold Wilson
-Kissinger’s previous conversation with Goodpaster
-Flora Lewis article
-European concerns
-Goodpaster’s view
-The President’s view
-“Senate doves”
-George S. McGovern
-NATO
-Lewis
-Senate
-The President’s previous meeting with Russell B. Long
-Elaine (Schwartzenburg) Edwards]
-Support for the President’s foreign policy
-Kissinger’s efforts with “Senate doves”
-European Security Conference
-Possible result of the President’s electoral defeat
-Goodpaster’s previous meeting with the German Minister of Defense
[Georg Leber]
-Former head of trade union
-Goodpaster’s view
-Compared to Helmut H.W. Schmidt
-US political situation
-Leber’s previous conversation with George Meany
-Importance of NATO
-Need for balance by Meany
-US Senate proposals
-Belgium
-Reagan’s previous conversation with Belgian Foreign Minister, Pierre
C.J.M. Harmel
-Need for more German participation in Europe
18
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Goodpaster’s view
-Balance between France and West Germany
-Belgian desire to preserve NATO
-West Germany
-Kissinger’s view
-European concerns
-US-Soviet Union relations
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-European leader’ view of the President
-Lewis
-European youth
-Compared to US youth
-European leaders
-Private comments compared to public comments
-Brandt’s letter to the President
-European political parties
-Coalitions
-Appeal to youth
-MBFR
-European Security Conference
-Private desire for good relations with the US
-Taiwan, Republic of China vote in United Nations [UN]
-Assessments by European ambassadors
-Importance to NATO
-Goodpaster’s view
-US and European relations
-Michael J. Mansfield
-Goodpaster's approach
-Force strengths
-Military budgets
-Denmark
-European contributions to NATO
-Formula of comparable effect
-Continued US force presence
-McGovern
19
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Position on aid to Greece
-Denmark
-Norway
-Great Britain
-Effect on NATO
-Turkey
-Continued developments in US-Soviet Union relations
-US consultations with European nations
-NATO
-Need for European support of the President
-European press
-Compared to US press
-The Administration’s policy
-Future of NATO
-McGovern
-Hubert H. Humphrey
-Improved US relations with the People’s Republic of China[PRC]and the
Soviet Union
-Need for strong Atlantic community
-Objectives of the Soviet Union
-South Asia
-Middle East
-PRC
-Europe
-Finlandization
-Example of Czechoslovakia
-The President's instruction to Goodpaster
-US support for Europe
-Need for European support of the President
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:18 am.
The President’s schedule
-Forthcoming meeting with the Council on Environmental Quality [CEQ]
-Forthcoming meeting with Gerald L. Warren
20
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
Bull left an unknown time before 10:49 am.
-Soviet Union
-Opposition to bloc-to-bloc negotiations
-NATO
-France
-MBFR
Kissinger
-Foreign Policy Views
NATO
-Possible Visit By President
Gift presentation
-Cuff links
The President’s schedule
-Possible trip to NATO
-Great Britain
-1972 election
Kissinger’s trip to NATO
US-Soviet Union relations
US-Soviet relations
-Goodpaster’s view
Kissinger and Goodpaster left at 10:49 am.
Date: August 7, 1972
Time: 10:18 am – 10:49 am
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Gen. Andrew J. Goodpaster and Henry A. Kissinger.
Greetings
14
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
Kissinger's schedule
-Trips to Paris
-Le Duc Tho
Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 10:18 am.
Refreshments
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 10:49 am.
North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] and Europe
-Goodpaster’s conversation with Kissinger
-Goodpaster’s interaction with Europeans
-Goodpaster’s influence
-Elections
-West Germany
-France
-Britain
-Forthcoming European Economic Community [EEC] membership
-EEC
-Economic relationship with the US
-Goodpaster’s possible role as advisor
-European confidence in the US
-Goodpaster’s possible role
-Major issues
-Force strengths
-US
-Formula of comparable effort
-European force strengths
-Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction [MBFR]
-European Security Conference
-US relations with France
-Contingency planning
-French forces in West Germany
-Common exercises
15
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Exchanges of information
-Air defense
Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 10:18 am.
-Goodpaster’s meeting with Michel Debre
-Goodpaster’s previous meeting with Francois Maurin
-Tone of relations
-Goodpaster’s view
-Gen. Charles A.J.M. DeGaulle’s decision [French withdrawal from
NATO]
-Debre
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 10:49 am.
-Tactical nuclear policy
-US policy debates
-Goodpaster’s policy
-Maintenance and development of capabilities
-Visibility of capabilities to the Soviet Union
-Risk of escalation
-Deterrence
-US policy
-John H. (“Jack”) Morse
-Naval career
-Atomic Energy Commission [AEC]
-Office of the Secretary of Defense, International Security
Affairs [OSD-ISA]
-Study
-Forthcoming briefing for Kissinger
-Options
-Burden of uncertainty
-Soviet Union
-Deterrence
-Goodpaster’s view
16
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Option approach
-Capabilities
-Flexibility
-Modernization of stockpile
-Soviet weapons systems
-Tactical missile launches
-SCUD missiles
-FROG missiles
-Deployment with forward units
-Lack of artillery
-Tactical aircraft
-Launch systems
-Storage sites
-Satellite countries
-Material Production
-European Security
-Winston S. Churchill quotation from Fulton, Missouri
speech
-Joint tactical nuclear capability
-Fear of escalation
-Strength in Europe
-US
-MBFR
-Possible reduction in the numbers of Soviet Union and US tanks
-Effect on Soviet offensive capability
-West Germany
-Ronald W. Reagan’s view
-Reagan’s previous conversation with Sir Alexander F. Douglas-Home
-Possible German concern
-Lack of cooperation by the US on nuclear matters
-Consultation with the US on use of weapons
-MBFR
-Letter from Willy Brandt to the President
-Brandt’s meeting with Georges J.R. Pompidou
-Newsweek article
17
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-NATO concerns
-Soviet Union
-European Security Conference
-Italy
-[James] Harold Wilson
-Kissinger’s previous conversation with Goodpaster
-Flora Lewis article
-European concerns
-Goodpaster’s view
-The President’s view
-“Senate doves”
-George S. McGovern
-NATO
-Lewis
-Senate
-The President’s previous meeting with Russell B. Long
-Elaine (Schwartzenburg) Edwards]
-Support for the President’s foreign policy
-Kissinger’s efforts with “Senate doves”
-European Security Conference
-Possible result of the President’s electoral defeat
-Goodpaster’s previous meeting with the German Minister of Defense
[Georg Leber]
-Former head of trade union
-Goodpaster’s view
-Compared to Helmut H.W. Schmidt
-US political situation
-Leber’s previous conversation with George Meany
-Importance of NATO
-Need for balance by Meany
-US Senate proposals
-Belgium
-Reagan’s previous conversation with Belgian Foreign Minister, Pierre
C.J.M. Harmel
-Need for more German participation in Europe
18
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Goodpaster’s view
-Balance between France and West Germany
-Belgian desire to preserve NATO
-West Germany
-Kissinger’s view
-European concerns
-US-Soviet Union relations
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-European leader’ view of the President
-Lewis
-European youth
-Compared to US youth
-European leaders
-Private comments compared to public comments
-Brandt’s letter to the President
-European political parties
-Coalitions
-Appeal to youth
-MBFR
-European Security Conference
-Private desire for good relations with the US
-Taiwan, Republic of China vote in United Nations [UN]
-Assessments by European ambassadors
-Importance to NATO
-Goodpaster’s view
-US and European relations
-Michael J. Mansfield
-Goodpaster's approach
-Force strengths
-Military budgets
-Denmark
-European contributions to NATO
-Formula of comparable effect
-Continued US force presence
-McGovern
19
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
-Position on aid to Greece
-Denmark
-Norway
-Great Britain
-Effect on NATO
-Turkey
-Continued developments in US-Soviet Union relations
-US consultations with European nations
-NATO
-Need for European support of the President
-European press
-Compared to US press
-The Administration’s policy
-Future of NATO
-McGovern
-Hubert H. Humphrey
-Improved US relations with the People’s Republic of China[PRC]and the
Soviet Union
-Need for strong Atlantic community
-Objectives of the Soviet Union
-South Asia
-Middle East
-PRC
-Europe
-Finlandization
-Example of Czechoslovakia
-The President's instruction to Goodpaster
-US support for Europe
-Need for European support of the President
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:18 am.
The President’s schedule
-Forthcoming meeting with the Council on Environmental Quality [CEQ]
-Forthcoming meeting with Gerald L. Warren
20
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Nov-03)
Bull left an unknown time before 10:49 am.
-Soviet Union
-Opposition to bloc-to-bloc negotiations
-NATO
-France
-MBFR
Kissinger
-Foreign Policy Views
NATO
-Possible Visit By President
Gift presentation
-Cuff links
The President’s schedule
-Possible trip to NATO
-Great Britain
-1972 election
Kissinger’s trip to NATO
US-Soviet Union relations
US-Soviet relations
-Goodpaster’s view
Kissinger and Goodpaster left at 10:49 am.