789–4

Conversation No. 789-4

Date: September 30, 1972
Time: Unknown between 10:17 am and 10:34 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger and Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson. This recording
began while the meeting was in progress.

National Defense policy
-The President’s meeting with Sir Alexander F. (“Alec”) Douglas-Home
-Nuclear weapons
-Bilateral reduction
-Soviet Union
-Multilateral reduction
-Europe
-Netherlands
-Belgium
-Denmark
-Conventional forces
-The President's San Francisco speech, September 27, 1972
-Massive retaliation
-Naval, air forces, army
-Small nations


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National security]
[Duration: 3s ]

-MIDDLE EAST

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-Jordan crisis
-Mobilization
-Sixth Fleet
-Airplanes
-West Germany
-Soviets
-Syria
-Soviet Union
-Israel
-Credibility
-Europe

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[National Security]
[Duration: 14 s]

-NATIONAL DEFENSE

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-Israel
-Europe
-Soviet Naval Buildup
-Forward Bases
-Conventional forces
-US public opinion
-Soviet buildup
-Pace
-Navy, air power
-Yugoslavia
-Troops cuts
-Defense appropriations subcommittee
-Europe
-Forthcoming talks on Mutual and Balanced Force Reductions [MBFR]
-Congressional awareness
-Defense supporters
-John L. McClellan
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-European responsibility
-Previous resolution for pullback, 1967

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 10:17 am.

Refreshments

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 10:34 am.

National Defense
-Resolution for force pullback 1967
-Michael J. Mansfield
-Consequences of vote
-Strategic Arms limitation Treaty [SALT] debate
-Nuclear warheads
-Number
-Equality, deliverability
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-William Proxmire
-Tactical nuclear weapons compared to strategic nuclear weapons
-Arms Control and Disarmament Agency [ACDA] involvement
-J. William Fulbright
-Gerard L. Smith
-Jackson Amendment
-Hugh Scott
-Plans
-Appropriations
-Transfers
-Soviet Union
-Raymond L. Garthoff
-Helsinki cable
-Soviets
-Arms control jargon
-Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
-Conversation with Kissinger
-Position
-Foreign Service
-Uganda
-Possible firing
-Timing
-1972 election
-Leaks
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-John Finney
-New York Times
-Discussions with Soviets
-Garthoff’s background
-Russian language skills
-Wife
-US fallback position
-Smith
-Secor D. Browne
-Possible involvement in administration
-Civil Aeronautical Board [CAB] chairman
-Previous position at Massachusetts Institute of Technology [MIT]
-Aeronautical engineering
-Soviet negotiations
-Russian language skills
-Weapons system expert
-ACDA
-State Department
-Soviet negotiations
-Consultant to industry
-Commercial aviation expertise
-Conventional weapons knowledge
-MBFR
-ACDA
-Negotiations
-Role of administrator
-MBFR
-SALT II
-Unilateral Disarmament
-Mutual disarmament
-SALT
-Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS]
-Knowledge
-Jackson’s questioning
-Air Force Chief of Staff
-Gen. John D. Ryan
-Antiballistic missiles [ABM]
-Capitals defense plan
-State Department
-ACDA
-JCS
-Interests
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-Weapons system

Personnel management
-Lt. Gen. Edward Rowny
-Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Background
-Army
-Supreme Headquarters, Allied Power Europe [SHAPE]
-Gen. Andrew J. Goodpaster
-Replacement [for Ryan]
-Promotion
-Johns Hopkins University
-US Military Academy at West Point
-Development of air mobile concept
-Yale University
-Engineering
-Political science
-Doctorate [Ph.D.]
-Haig
-Scholar
-Corps commander
-JCS
-Views
-Compared to the President’s
-State Department
-ACDA
-Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
-JCS
-ABM
-Capitals defense plan
-The President’s view
-Rowny
-Haig
-ACDA
-Garthoff
-Plans
-Loyalty
-Ideology

Jackson's forthcoming work with Kissinger

US-Soviet Union trade deal
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-Jackson Amendment on Soviet Jewry
-Exit visas
-Amendment to bill
-Timing
-Forthcoming congressional session
-Co-sponsors
-Signal to Soviets
-Senate resolution
-Hubert H. Humphrey
-Jacob A. Javits
-George S. McGovern
-Opposition by Jewish community
-Impact on the President
-Compared to Jackson Amendment
-Timing
-Soviet Reaction
-Exit visas
-Kissinger’s forthcoming conversation with Hugh Scott
-Scott
-Administrative assistant, William J. Hildebrand
-McGovern
-Political implications
-Jackson’s conversation with Scott
-Compared to Jackson Amendment
-Voting
-Signal to Soviets
-Toughness
-Co-sponsors
-Withholding

Kissinger's schedule

Kissinger and Jackson left at 10:34 am.