791–11

Conversation No. 791-11

Date: October 3, 1972
Time: 3:32 pm - 4:16 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Elliot L. Richardson, David C. Hoopes, John D. Ehrlichman, and
Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.

The President's schedule
-[Signing documents]
-Message

House Resolution [HR 1]
-Welfare reform
-Three year effort
-Richardson's role
-Answering questions
-Television [TV]
-National meetings
-Adlai E. Stevenson, III
-Amendment
-Similarities to HR 1
-Likelihood of offering
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-Contact with Stevenson’s staff
-Timing
-Abraham Ribicoff
-Amendment
-Benefit level
-Ribicoff
-Day care
-Appropriations
-Authorization
-Possible changes to amendment
-Hugh Scott
-Amendment
-Possible statement
-Ribicoff
-Changes in support among liberals
-William V. Roth-Harry F. Byrd, Jr.
-Wage supplementation
-Conservatives
-Working poor
-Aid for Families with Dependent Children [AFDC]
-Titles I, II, III
-Veto possibility
-Stevenson
-Conservatives
-Possible filibuster
-Debt ceiling
-Titles I, II, III
-Wilbur D. Mills
-Social Security
-Medicare
-Medicaid
-Scott
-Amendment
-Rejection outcome
-Ribicoff
-Long-Byrd amendment
-Filibuster
-Stevenson
-Rejection outcome
-Scott
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-Scenario for support
-Titles I, II, III
-Title IV
-Mills
-Debt limit
-Possible veto
-Effective date
-Fiscal year [FY] 1974
-Increase in payroll taxes
-Stevenson amendment
-Similarity to HR 1
-Costs of childcare
-Previous versions 1969, 1970
-Tax rate
-Social security
-Cost of living adjustment [COLA]
-Minimum wage
-Income tax
-Possible reduction in childcare
-Politics
-Scott
-Recent conversation with Richardson
-Salvaging credibility for Nixon administration
-Russell B. Long
-Liberal appearance
-Scott
-Similarity with earlier versions
-COLA adjustment
-Application to Social Security
-Childcare
-Effective date
-Stevenson amendment
-Long
-Cloture
-Possible filibuster
-Timing
-Mills
-Conference
-Possible press reports
-Ribicoff
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-Stevenson
-Conservative senators
-Republicans
-Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
-Draft of Stevenson amendment
-Ribicoff
-Stevenson
-HEW motive
-Senate Finance Committee
-Stevenson
-Robert P. Griffin
-Thomas C Korologos
-Long, Wallace Bennett
-Long
-Stevenson amendment
-HR 1
-Votes for Cloture
-Ribicoff
-Possible demise of bill
-Revenue sharing
-Democratic proposals
-Public relations
-Consistency
-New York Times article
-John V. Lindsay
-New York City
-Increase in welfare rolls
-Administration's desire for welfare reform
-Interpretations
-Liberal position
-Ribicoff
-Senate vote
-Ribicoff amendment
-Stevenson amendment
-Griffin
-Richardson
-Scott
-Stevenson

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:32 pm.
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The President's schedule
-Griffin
-Senate vote
-William E. Timmons
-Ribicoff amendment

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:11 pm.

HR 1
-Welfare reform
-Long
-Scott
-Stevenson
-Press reaction
-Ribicoff
-Post 1972 election plans
-Senate, House of Representatives
-Health programs
-President’s forthcoming comments
-Ways and Means
-Ehrlichman’s schedule
-Camp David
-Politics
-Richardson
-New York Times editorial
-Ribicoff
-Attitude in country compared to 1969
-President’s possible
-George P. Shultz
-Rhode Island
-Richardson’s schedule
-John H. Chaffee
-Herbert F. De Simone
-George S. McGovern
-McGovern's welfare plan
-Working poor

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 3:32 pm.
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The President’s schedule
-Griffin
-Photo session
-Oval office

An unknown person left at an unknown time before 4:11 pm.

HR 1
-Ribicoff

Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:32 pm.

The President’s schedule
-Griffin
-Lighting

Bull left and Griffin and William E. Timmons entered at 4:11 pm.

HR 1
-Senators
-Senate Finance Committee
-Ribicoff
-Press
-Ribicoff
-Richardson’s efforts
-Conservatives

Mark I. Goode, Robert Johnson, John Marshall Gordon entered at 4:14 pm.

[Filming session]
-Arrangements
-H.R. 1
-Stevenson
-Ribicoff
-Earlier bill

Richardson
-HEW
-Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
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Richardson, Ehrlichman, and Cole left at 4:14 pm.

[Filming session]
-Griffin
-Baseball
-Mickey Lolich
-Score of the playoff game
-Detroit
-Recent meeting with the President
-Michigan
-Detroit
-Democrats
-Ethnic groups

Busing
-[Stephen J. Roth]
-McGovern
-Detroit News
-Poll
-McGovern-Frank J. Kelly ticket
-Welfare, increased taxes

HR 1
-Welfare reform
-Stevenson amendment
-Richardson’s view
-Ehrlichman’s and Cole’s view
-Child care
-COLA
-Ribicoff
-Griffin’s view
-Liberals

The President's schedule
-Filming session
-Arrangements

The President, et al. left at 4:16 pm.
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