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815–13
  • President Richard M. Nixon
  • Stephen B. Bull
  • Manolo Sanchez
  • Alexander P. Butterfield
  • Peter M. Flanigan
November 24, 1972
Conversation No. 815-13

Date: November 24, 1972
Time: Unknown between 10:14 am and 10:43 am.
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

The President's schedule
-Meeting with Peter M. Flanigan

Bull left and Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 10:14 am.

-Refreshment
-Coffee

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 10:15 am.

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 10:15 am.

Item for the President’s signature
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)

The President's schedule
-Dinner with Alexander M. Haig, Jr. and Barbara E. Haig
-Timing
-Alexander Haig’s schedule
-Vietnam negotiations
-Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon

White House
-East Room
-Chairs
-Selection
-Mrs. Nixon
-Seating capacity
-Cabinet Room

The President's schedule
-Meeting with Flanigan
-Cabinet Room

Flanigan entered at 10:19 am.

Purpose of meeting

Butterfield left at 10:20 am.

Ambassadorships
-The President’s conversation with Maurice H. Stans
-1972 campaign
-Contributors list
-Contributors list
-Flanigan's review
-Walter H. Annenberg
-Retention
-W. Clement Stone
-Stone
-Possible conversation with the President
-Stans
-Statement

-John N. (“Jack”) Irwin, II
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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)

-France
-Reasons
-Campaign contributions
-Size
-Qualifications
-Georges J. R. Pompidou
-Arthur K. Watson
-Service
-Contributions
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Public impression
-Campaign contributions
-Behavior
-The President’s view
-John A. Volpe
-Italy
-Annenberg
-Lord Anthony Barber
-Edward R.G. Heath
-[Robert S. Ingersoll’s] performance
-Japan
-Shelby Davis
-Annenberg
-Duration
-Compared to Cabinet positions
-Ingersoll
-The President’s confidence
-Europe
-Contributors list
-Stans
-Forthcoming telephone call from Flanigan
-Recent meetings with Flanigan
-Forthcoming telephone call from Flanigan
-Flanigan’s meeting with the President
-Forthcoming meeting with the President
-Flanigan's review
-Forthcoming meetings
-Bureaucracies
-Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development [OECD]
-Richard M. Helms
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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)

-Iran
-Joseph S. Farland
-Possible appointment
-State Department
-Assistant Secretary
-Loyalty


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-Service with Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
-Loyalty
-Background
-Georgetown
-Candidates
-Flanigan’s Review
-Annenberg
-Retention
-Irwin
-France
-Irwin’s work with Valery Giscard D' Estaing
-Irwin’s background
-Under Secretary of State
-The President’s confidence
-Economic knowledge

Second term reorganization
-William J. Casey
-Under Secretary of State for Economic Affairs
-William P. Clements, Jr.
-Deputy Secretary of Defense
-Relationship with Flanigan
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)


Ambassadorships
-Contributor’s list
-Flanigan’s review
-Stan’s forthcoming meeting with the President
-Kissinger's judgment
-Non-careerists and careerists
-National Security Council [NSC]
-Careerists
-Source
-Flanigan’s forthcoming conversation with Kissinger
-Kissinger's recommendations
-H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
-Instruction
-Conversation with the President
-Flanigan’s recommendations
-Qualifications
-Commissions
-Campaign contributors
-Europe
-Commissions
-European appointees
-Regional conflicts
-Belgium, Netherlands
-France
-Work with finance, trade, prime ministers

Football
-Washington Redskins
-Dallas Cowboys’ recent victory
-The President’s viewing on television [TV]
-Redskins
-Age, speed
-Cohesion
-[Larry Brown]
-Billy Kilmer
-George E. Allen
-New York Giants
-Atlanta Falcons
-Green Bay Packers
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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)

-Allen’s performance
-Team age
-Effect on Washington, DC

Washington, DC

Ambassadorships
-Irwin
-Relationship to Watson
-Jane Watson
-Death
-Support in State Department
-Toughness
-France
-Graham A. Martin
-Italy
-Age
-Plans
-Return to US
-Paper
-Foreign Service Officers [FSO] recommendations
-Removal from State Department
-Toughness
-Paper
-FSOs
-Original structure
-State Department
-Commerce, Treasury, Agriculture, State Departments

Second term reorganization
-State Department
-Commerce attaches
-Commerce Department
-FSOs
-Economic competence
-Social sciences, political philosophy
-Non-careerists
-Business background
-Casey
-FSOs
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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)

-Careerists
-State, Commerce, Treasury, Agriculture Departments
-Legislation
-Executive Order

Ambassadorships
-Martin
-Duration
-Martin J. Hillenbrand
-Assignment to West Germany
-[David] Kenneth Rush
-West Germany
-Adm. Horatio Rivero, Jr.
-Spain
-Defense Department
-Melvin R. Laird
-Hillenbrand
-European Security Conference
-Rivero
-New appointments
-John D. Lodge
-Removal
-Age
-The President’s recent conversation with Stans
-France
-Ireland
-Raymond R. Guest
-William A.M. Burden
-Age
-Flanigan’s forthcoming conversation with Stans
-Ages
-Burden
-Age
-Energy
-Campaign contributions
-Stans
-Canada
-Canada
-Adolph W. Schmidt
-Mellon family
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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)

-Pierree E. Trudeau
-John Turner
-Possible removal
-Europe
-Campaign contributions
-Mellon family
-Pittsburgh
-Paul Mellon
-Stan’s view
-Possible removal
-Timing
-Timing
-Economic expertise
-Italy
-Volpe
-John D. Ehrlichman
-1972 campaign
-Cabinet departure
-Possible performance
-Embassy building
-Martin’s effort
-Garden
-Suites
-Views
-Rome
-Volpe
-Age
-Health

Second term reorganization
-William P. Rogers
-Retention
-Vietnam negotiations
-Kissinger
-Conflicts with Kissinger
-Motives
-Kissinger’s publicity
-Credit
-Departure
-Publicity
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Conversation No. 815-13 (cont’d)

-Press relations
-Support of administration
-Economic problems
-Economy
-Flanigan
-George P. Shultz
-Peter G. Peterson
-Intelligence
-“Sales” ability
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] and European Economic Community
[EEC] ambassadorships
-Peterson
-Advantages of combination
-Peterson
-Interest in position
-Confidentiality of idea
-Work with Europeans
-David M. Kennedy
-NATO ambassadorship
-NATO ambassadorship
-Importance
-EEC ambassadorship
-Peterson
-Deputy
-EEC ambassador [Joseph A. Greenwald]
-Work with Europeans
-Stans, Flanigan
-Qualifications
-Creativity
-“Sales” ability
-Europeans
-Ingersoll

Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:20 am.

The President’s schedule

Flanigan’s responsibilities

Flanigan and Bull left at 10:43 am.
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