857–7

Conversation No. 857-7

Date: February 15, 1973
Time: 12:05 pm - 12:19 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with J. Curtis Counts. Members of the press were present at the
beginning of the meeting.

Greetings

Photograph session
-Arrangements

Counts's plans
-Construction industry
-Labor management problems

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:05 pm.

Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 12:19 pm.

Construction industry
-Importance
-Work with Peter J. Brennan, George P. Shultz
-Counts’s new job

Counts’s job offers
-Bechtel
-United Aircraft
-Salary

Private sector
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Tape Subject Log
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Conversation No. 857-7 (cont’d)




-Importance
-Consultant offers

Jay C. Counts
-Labor lawyer
-Texas
-Labor management consultant
-Sheehy Construction, Inc.

Labor management relations
-Management representatives
-Problems
-Labor lawyers
-Jews
-Competence
-Negotiations
-Arthur Goldberg
-Steel
-Competence
-Management representatives
-Labor lawyers
-Unions
-Competence
-Dave Freedmont
-Steel workers
-Legal assistance
-United Auto Workers [UAW]
-Leonard Woodcock
-Management representatives

Construction industry
-Negotiations
-Fragmented industry
-Automobile manufacturers
-Counts's new job
-Problems

Jay Counts
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

Tape Subject Log
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Conversation No. 857-7 (cont’d)




-Southern Methodists University [SMU]
-Charlie Morris
-Business and law school
-California and Texas bar exams
-Opportunities
-Present job

Counts's job
-Government work
-Lobbying
-Labor union reception
-Rapport

California
-New house
-Chevoit Hills
-Janice O. Counts
-McLean, Virginia
-Traffic
-Roosevelt Bridge
-Maintenance

Virginia Counts

Prisoners of War [POWs]
-Reception
-George S. McGovern
-Return
-Impact on public
-Support for bombing

Bombing of North Vietnam
-Necessity
-McGovern
-POWs’ statements to Adm. Thomas H. Moorer

Young people
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

Tape Subject Log
(rev. Oct.-09)
Conversation No. 857-7 (cont’d)




Appreciation for job
-President’s gift

Counts's children
-Married ones

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:05 pm.

Ash trays

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:19 pm.

Gifts

Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:05 pm.

Counts's grandchildren
-Boys
-Girls
-Gifts

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:19 pm.

Counts’s job
-Other opportunities
-Major corporation
-Salary
-Labor management relations

Counts left at 12:19 pm.