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895-008b

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895-008a
  • President Richard M. Nixon
  • John D. Ehrlichman
  • White House operator
  • Lawrence M. Higby
  • Manolo Sanchez
April 13, 1973
Conversation No. 895-8

Date: April 13, 1973
Time: 9:16 am - 10:47 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

Weather

Watergate

-Ehrlichman’s conversation with Richard G. Kleindienst

-Grand Jury

-Donald H. Segretti testimony

-Immunity for former White House staff
-Jeb Stuart Magruder
-Justice Department policy for perjury
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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)

-Gordon C. Strachan’s testimony
-Magruder
-James W. McCord’s testimony
-Recall of John N. Mitchell
-Grand Jury appearance
-E. Howard Hunt, Jr.’s hearsay testimony
-G[eorge] Gordon Liddy’s possible testimony
-Indictments
-Magruder
-Ehrlichman’s forthcoming meeting with John W. Dean, III
-Sally H. Harmony
-Preparation of reports

-Liddy’s knowledge

-Indictments

-Liddy’s statement
-Illegal acts by Committee for the Re-election of the President [CRP]
-Funds for defendants’ payoff
-Campaign finances
-Obstruction of justice
-Legal definition
-Guilt of burglars
-Previous testimony

-McCord, Hunt, Cubans

-McCord

-Connection between Mrs. Dorothy Hunt and Kenneth W.
Parkinson
-Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.
-Charles R. Ritchie’s ruling on separation of powers

Ehrlichman’s schedule

Watergate

-Gordon C. Strachan

-Ehrlichman’s call to Lawrence M. Higby


Ehrlichman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:16 am and
10:47 am.
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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)


[Conversation No. 895-8A]


[See Conversation No. 38-1]


Ehrlichman conferred with the President at an unknown time between 9:16 am and 10:47 am.


Watergate
-Mitchell
-Statement
-Content

[End of conferral]

Ehrlichman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time.

[Conversation No. 895-8B]

[See Conversation No. 38-1]

Ehrlichman talked with Higby at an unknown time between 9:16 am and 10:47 am.

[Conversation No. 895-8B]

[Begin telephone conversation]

[See Conversation No. 38-1]

[End telephone conversation]

Watergate
-Ehrlichman’s call to Higby
-Strachan’s meeting with Earl J. Silbert
-$350,000

-Disposition

-Fred C. LaRue

-Position with CRP
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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)

-Dean’s role

-Purpose

-CRP’s attitude

-$10,000,000 collected before April
-Disposition

-Herbert W. Kalmbach

-Bookkeeping

-Channeling of money
-$350,000
-Disposition

-LaRue

-Dean’s conversation with Maurice H. Stans

-Strachan’s conversations
-Dean
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
-Hugh W. Sloan’s knowledge

-US Attorney’s interest

-Investigation

-LaRue
-Paul L. O’Brien
-Forthcoming testimony
-Effect
-Phone conversation with Silbert
-Strachan
-Effect of testimony
-Haldeman
-LaRue
-Testimony about $350,000
-Tax liability
-Paul L. O’Brien’s conversation with Ehrlichman in San Clemente
-$350,000
-Mitchell and Strachan
-Strachan’s testimony to US Attorney, November 1972
-Haldeman’s instructions
-Uses
-William J. Baroody, Jr.

-Charles W. Colson

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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)

-President’s conversation with Colson, April 12, 1973

-White House counterattack

-Patrick J. Buchanan

-Kenneth L. Khachigian

-Selection of staff

-Tom Charles Huston


President’s conversation with John B. Connally
-President’s forthcoming energy message
-Connally’s assessment

Watergate
-Connally’s conversation with President
-Haldeman’s possible testimony before Ervin Committee
-Need for independent lawyer to advise President
-Role

-Leonard Garment

-Richard A. Moore

-Charles A. Wright

-Ehrlichman’s conversation with Richard A. Moore

-Dean’s departure

-Possible replacements

-Garment
-[Horace] Chapman (“Chappie”) Rose
-Wright
-Edward Lombard
-Thomas E. Dewey

-Edward Baumgardner

-Ehrlichman’s conversation with William P. Rogers

-Baumgardner

-Lombard

-Wright

-Appearances before Ervin Committee
-President’s conversation with John B. Connally

Ehrlichman’s conversation with Byron R (“Whizzer”) White
-Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)

-Interest
-Washington, DC gossip
-Importance of job

FBI Directorship
-Samuel L. Devine

-Petition

-Ideology

-William M. Byrne, Jr.
-Daniel Ellsberg trial
-Ellsberg’s lawyer
-Health
-Byrne’s interest in FBI position

Watergate
-Ehrlichman’s conversation with Moore
-Possible statement by Haldeman
-Possible statements by White House staff
-Ronald L. Ziegler’s opinion
-Content
-Haldeman’s statement
-Funds under his control
-Segretti

-Grand Jury
-Segretti
-Dwight L. Chapin
-Strachan
-Haldeman’s approval
-Referral to Kalmbach
-Seymour Glanzer’s reaction
-Silbert and Glanzer technique
-Strachan
-Racial composition
-White House staff statements

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 9:16 am.
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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)


Refusal of refreshment

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 10:47 am.

Watergate

-White House staff statements

-Ervin Committee

-President’s conversation with Connally

-Ervin Committee

-Haldeman

-Indictments

-Grand Jury

-Ervin Committee

-Magruder
-Ehrlichman’s forthcoming conversation with Dean
-Possible Grand Jury testimony
-Strachan’s testimony
-Glanzer’s questioning
-Dean
-Conversation with Magruder
-Possible testimony
-Mitchell’s advice
-Executive privilege
-Perception of cover-up
-Possible testimony
-LaRue
-Garment’s meeting with Paul O’Brien, April 12, 1973
-Note from Ehrlichman on Strachan’s testimony
-Mitchell
-Information from Grand Jury
-Kleindienst
-Henry E. Petersen
-Possible indictment
-Dean’s possible testimony
-Sloan
-Postelection activities
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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)

-Knowledge
-Stans
-Knowledge of funds for defendants
-Henry B. Rothblatt
-Statements concerning payments
-Money for defendants
-Uses
-Effects
-Haldeman, Dean, Ehrlichman
-Ehrlichman’s response
-Mitchell
-Kalmback’s knowledge
-Ervin Committee
-Grand Jury
-Schedule
-Ehrlichman’s forthcoming conversation with Colson
-Haldeman
-Possible appearance before Ervin Committee

-Television [TV] spectacle

-Judicial test of separation of powers doctrine

-Executive session

-Ervin Committee
-Ehrlichman’s negotiations with Ervin

-Courtroom rules

-Executive session

-Ehrlichman’s forthcoming call to Howard H. Baker, Jr.

-William E. Brock III and George H. W. Bush

-Televised hearings

-Haldeman
-Possible public statement
-Possible Grand Jury testimony
-Strachan’s and Chapin’s testimony

-Segretti

-Haldeman’s possible public statement
-Content
-Colson, Buchanan, Khachigian, Baroody, W. Richard Howard
-Evidence against George S. McGovern’s campaign
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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)

-Segretti

-Money

-Congressional leadership, Cabinet

-White House staff meeting

-Haldeman address

-Friendly forum

-News reports concerning Watergate

-Kenneth W. Clawson
-Colson
-Possible statement
-Haldeman
-Possible statement
-Dean
-Possible statement
-Haldeman
-Possible statement
-White House staff
-Chapin
-Strachan
-Colson, Dean
-Colson
-Possible statement
-Forthcoming conversation with Ehrlichman
-Haldeman
-Possible statement
-Dean
-Leave
-Possible special counsel
-Wright
-Lombard
-Wright
-Relationship with Ervin

-Thomas G. Corcoran

-Knowledge of government

-Bachelor

-Widower

-Dean’s testimony
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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)


FBI Directorship

-Possible nominees

-White


Ehrlichman’s call to Barry M. Goldwater

-Goldwater’s schedule

-Arizona, California


Legal services

-White House staff opinion

-President’s opinion

-Independent corporations [?]

-Howard J. Phillips

-Legislation

-Modification
-Phillips’s view
American Bar Association [ABA]
-Administration’s bill

Watergate
-Spiro T. Agnew

-Statement

-Meeting with Haldeman

-Investigation of bribery

-Agnew’s service as Governor of Maryland
-Haldeman’s assistance in stopping investigation
-Statement on Watergate
-Ehrlichman’s assessment


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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

President’s conversation with Connally

-Political party affiliation

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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)

[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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Watergate

-Connally’s advice

-Campaign financing

-Segretti

-Plea of self-incrimination

-Possible testimony by Chapin

-Lawyer’s advice

-Possible statement by Haldeman

-Chapin

-Possible statement to White House staff
-Relationship to Haldeman’s possible statement
-John D. Ehrlichman’s conversation with Ziegler and Lyndon K. (“Mort”) Allin
-Haldeman’s image

-Possible leave of absence

-Agnew

-President’s conversation with Connally
-Leaves of absence

-Dean

-Haldeman

-Impact of decision

-Haldeman

-Possible appearance before Ervin Committee

-Segretti

-Possible leave of absence

-Effect
-Duties in White House
-Ehrlichman’s forthcoming meeting with Haldeman
-Statement
-Segretti’s activities
-Magician
-Campaign practices
-“Canuck” letter
-Letter on Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson and Hubert H. Humphrey
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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)

-E. Howard Hunt, Jr.
-Violation of federal statute
-Possible disbarment
-Ervin Committee
-Chapin and Haldeman appearance
-Ehrlichman’s negotiation with Ervin and Baker
-Executive session
-Precedents set by Kissinger
-Statement about White House offer
-Public televised hearings
-Opinion of Ziegler and Moore
-White House public position on Committee’s interests
-Ehrlichman’s negotiations with Ervin and Baker
-Chicago Tribune story
-Ehrlichman’s possible call to Aldo Beckman
-Effect
-President’s conversation with Connally
-Ehrlichman’s schedule

-Dean

-Colson

-Haldeman compared with Connally

-White House relationship with Ervin Committee

-Headlines
-Wright
-Possible statement by Haldeman and Chapin
-Ervin’s letter to Ritchie
-Richey’s assessment of Ervin’s action
-Richey’s intelligence
-Statements for Haldeman and Chapin
-Buchanan’s drafts
-Compared to Raymond K. Price, Jr. and David R. Gergen


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

[Privacy]

[Duration: 3 s ]

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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
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Watergate

-White House relationship with Ervin Committee

-Statements for Haldeman and Chapin

-Buchanan’s drafts

-Working

-Content


President’s meeting with Congressmen, April 12, 1973

-Joe D. Waggonner’s conversation with President

-Administration’s goal
-Vetoes
-Support for President
-Veteran’s bill
-John L. McClellan

-Hugh Scott

-Assessment of speech

-Gerald R. Ford

-Assessment of speech

-Richard W. Bolling

-Economic stabilization

-Opinions of Carl B. Albert
-Changes
-Lobbying against rollback of prices
-Albert
-Lobbying groups
-Oklahoma cattle growers

Watergate

-Ervin Committee

-Charges of cover-up

-Reaction to Ziegler’s statement
-Ehrlichman’s forthcoming conversation with Dean
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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)

-Mitchell

-Kleindienst

-Dean

-Grand Jury testimony

-Liddy testimony

-Harmony

-Copies of reports for Haldeman

-Ehrlichman’s conversation with Colson

-Hunt’s testimony


National economy
-President’s conversation with Connally
-President’s actions

-Spokesperson

-Decisive action

-Lumber

-Price freeze

-Ehrlichman’s meeting with Alan Greenspan

-Reaction to Herbert Stein’s paper

-Price competitiveness of foreign products

-Sony

-Datsun

-Effects of devaluation

-Flexibility of price setting

-Phase II’s effects

-Greenspan’s clients

-Effects of wage and price controls

-Mythology of effects

-Political effects

-1974 elections

-President’s conversation with Connally

-1971 controls decision

-Inflation

-Economic boom

-Ehrlichman’s conversation with Greenspan

-Natural moderation of the economy

-Pierre Rinfret’s letter to President

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Conversation No. 895-8 (cont’d)

-Freezes
-Inflation

-Brazil

-Uruguay

-Spokesperson
-Indices of consumer confidence
-Recession
-Michigan Survey
-Ehrlichman’s conversation with Greenspan
-Rinfret
-Letter
-Greenspan’s assessment of Rinfet
-Arthur F. Burns

-Rinfret’s concern with Wall Street

-Greenspan’s analysis

-President’s weekend reading

Watergate
-Ehrlichman’s frothcoming conversations

-Dean

-Colson

-Haldeman


Ehrlichman left at 10:47 am.
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