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Conversation No. 929-7

Date: May 29, 1973
Time: 9:58 am - 11:06 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with William P. Rogers.
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Roger’s health

-Weather

-President’s trip to Florida

-Virus


President’s schedule

-Report from Rogers’s trip to Latin America

-Bipartisan Congressional leaders

-Rogers’s presentation on Latin American trip
-J. William Fulbright
-Henry A. Kissinger’s presentation
-Paris
-Communique
-Nguyen Van Thieu’s input
-Georges J. R. Pompidou’s visit
-Kissinger and John A. Scali

Scali

-Possible statement on Middle East

-Scali’s conversation with Joseph J. Sisco

-Briefing

-President, Rogers support

-United Nations

-Job performance

-Possible conversation with Rogers

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-Progress

-Arabs

-Danger [?]


The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:58 am and
10:45 am.

[Conversation No. 929-7A]

[Begin telephone conversation]
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[See Conversation No. 39-26]

[End telephone conversation]

Manolo Sanchez [?] entered at an unknown time after 9:58 am.

Refreshment

Sanchez [?] left at an unknown time before 10:45 am.

Scali

-Possible statement on Middle East


Watergate
-Views of Latin American leaders

-Compared to Europe

-Emilio Garrastazu Medici

-Michael Manley

-Effect on administration

-Paralysis

-Newspapers

-President’s activities

-Prisoners of War [POW] dinner

-Council of Economic Advisors

-Energy

-Foreign policy

-Kissinger
-Paris
-Instructions for William Sullivan
-Thieu

-Congress members

-Government business

-Haig’s view

William P. Rogers talked with Joseph J. Sisco at an unknown time between 9:58 am and 10:45
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[Conversation No. 929-7B]

[Begin telephone conversation]

[See Conversation No. 39-27]

[End telephone conversation]

Scali’s statement on the Middle East

-State Department


President’s schedule
-Rogers, Scali
-Photograph
-Middle East, Latin America

Presidency

-Responsibilities of office

-Burdens

-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-Sherman Adams
-Roles of Vice President Nixon and Rogers
-Attacks on the President
-Press coverage
-Television [TV]

Watergate
-News coverage
-Firings of H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman
-[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II’s view of Sherman Adams affair
-Politics and the military
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-John N. Mitchell, Haldeman and Ehrlichman
-Effect on President
-President’s possible grand jury appearance
-John W. Dean III
-Possible statements
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-James W. McCord, Jr.
-Dean
-Conversations with President
-Subornation of Jeb S[tuart] Magruder’s perjury
-Central Intelligence Agency [CIA] hiring of Watergate burglars
-G. Gordon Liddy
-Offer of clemency

-Ehrlichman’s role

-Mitchell

-Meetings with President

-Number and timing

-Clemency
-Haldeman’s and Ehrlichman’s knowledge
-Mitchell’s role
-Grand Jury
-Archibald Cox’s possible activities

-George S. McGovern’s supporter

-Elliot L. Richardson

-Possible presentment

-Possible recommendation for impeachment

-Ervin Committee
-Samuel Dash
-Sam J. Ervin, Jr.
-Howard H. Baker, Jr.
-Dean
-Possible immunity
-President’s possible resignation
-Spiro T. Agnew
-White House response
-Views of world leaders
-Compared to attacks on other presidents
-Harry S Truman
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-Billy Sol Estes and Robert D. (“Bobby”) Baker
-Cover-up
-Mitchell’s possible role
-Mitchell
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-Possible prison term

-Family

-Possible prison term

-Bobby G. Seale case

-President
-Possible trial
-White House response
-Haig
-President’s possible press conference
-Barry M. Goldwater and the Vice President Agnew
-Rogers
-Cabinet
-Republican Congressional leaders’ statements
-Leaks
-Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield and Carl B. Albert
-Bryce N. Harlow’s return to White House staff
-Grand Jury
-Possible presentment
-President’s possible appearance
-Washington Post story, May 29
-Ervin Committee hearings
-Possible testimony
-Ehrlichman, Haldeman and Dean
-Mitchell
-Robert L. Vesco
-Timing of indictment

-Haldeman and Ehrlichman

-Dash’s scheduling

-Haldeman and Ehrlichman

-Dean

-Possible immunity
-Dean
-Fear
-Haldeman and Ehrlichman
-Possible convictions
-Grand jury testimony
-United States Attorneys’ actions
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-Haldeman and Ehrlichman
-Possible convictions
-Funds for defendants
-Intent
-Funds for defendants
-E. Howard Hunt, Jr.
-President’s investigation
-Haldeman’s $350,000
-Ehrlichman’s approval of Herbert W. Kalmbach’s fund-raising
-President’s knowledge
-Mitchell
-Role
-Magruder and Dean
-Vesco
-Vesco
-Maurice H. Stans’s role
-Compared with Adams
-William J. Casey’s role
-Participants
-Effect on families
-Functioning of system of government
-Rogers’s conversation with Richardson
-Cox
-Cox
-Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy and McGovern
-Popular interests
-As an issue
-Harlow’s view
-White House response
-Dean’s documents
-John J. Sirica
-Huston Plan
-Dean’s knowledge
-Implementation
-J. Edgar Hoover’s views

-Adm. Noel Gayler, Donald Bennett and Richard M. Helms

-Hoover’s views

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-Implementation
-Dean
-Knowledge
-Possible immunity
-Documents
-President

-Haldeman and Ehrlichman

-Leaks

- Memoranda of conversation [memcons]
-Memcons
-Contrasted with direct testimony
-Dean
-Possible effects of testimony

-President

-Haldeman and Ehrlichman

-Haldeman’s mood
-Ehrlichman’s mood
-Firings of Haldeman and Ehrlichman
-Mood of Haldeman and Ehrlichman
-President’s knowledge
-Ehrlichman’s investigation

-Report to President

-Ehrlichman’s report
-Grand jury testimony
-Executive privilege
-President’s orders regarding Henry E. Petersen
-Effect on Mitchell
-Mitchell
-Conversations with President
-Public statement
-President’s conversations
-Haldeman and Ehrlichman
-Dean
-Ervin Committee hearings
-Possible testimony by Haldeman and Ehrlichman

-Possible indictments

-Rules of evidence

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-Response to previous testimony

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 9:58 am and left at an unknown time
before 11:06 am.

-Possible duration
-Public reaction
-Compared with Howard Hughes and Owen Brewster
-Possible White House response

President’s schedule

-Meeting in Iceland


An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 9:58 am.

Scali and Kissinger

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 10:45 am.


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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

Rogers’s health

-Virus

-Contagious


[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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John A. Scali entered at 10:45 am.

Rogers’s Latin American trip

-Scali’s Dinner with Argentine Ambassador, May 29

-Rogers’s meeting with Hector J. Campora

-Campora
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-Public stance
-Left-leaning
-Youth
-Private stance
-Right-leaning
-Support for US
-Ministers
-Sensibility
-Rogers’s message for ambassador
-Foreign Minister
-University of Pennsylvania
-Law school
-New York
-Wife
-New York University
-Doctor
-Minister of Justice
-Closeness to Campora
-New York hospital

Kissinger entered at 10:46 am.

Rogers’s Latin American trip

-Rogers’s meeting with Hector J. Campora

-Minister of Education

-Eva Peron’s doctor


Kissinger’s fiftieth birthday

-Compared to sixtieth birthday

-Dwight D. Eisenhower [?]


The White House photographer and members of the press entered at 10:46 am.

Kissinger’s fiftieth birthday

-Dwight D. Eisenhower [?]

-Age

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The White House photographer and press left at an unknown time before 11:03 am.

US foreign policy

-Georges J. R. Pompidou

-Middle East

-Arab diplomats
-Prioritization
-Year of Europe
-President’s interest
-Direct, indirect discussions
-Interim settlement
-Trajectory
-United Nations [UN]’s role
-Public relations [PR] posture
-US role
-Year of Europe
-Soviet Union
-People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-Priorities

-Middle East

-Latin America

-Middle East

-“Hot spot”
-False hopes
-Solution
-Interests
-Stakes
-Powers
-Contact

Scali’s votes in UN Security Council

-Vetoes

-Abstentions

-Resolution on motherhood

-Mark Russell

-Humorist

-Skit

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US foreign policy
-Scali’s public and private statements
-Record
-Reassurance
-Certainty
-UN schedule

-Adjournment

-Leonid I. Brezhnev

-Statement

-Brezhnev

-Visit

-New York

-Jewish demonstrations

-Security

-Camp David

-Risk

-US-Soviet Union summit
-Cancellation
-President’s response
-“Responsible Jews”
-Max M. Fisher
-Orderly
-Camp David
-Hippies
-Support for Brezhnev
-Lebanon crisis
-UN


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7

[National security]

[Duration: 1 m 23 s ]

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UN SECURITY COUNCIL MEETING


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US foreign policy

-Kissinger’s conversation with Fulbright, May 23

-Marquis Childs
-Article on Vietnam settlement
-Troop withdrawal
-Chou En-lai
-Fullbright’s concern
-US public opinion
-Vietnam settlement
-Chou En-lai’s influence
-Possible approval of appointments
-Graham A. Martin
-William Sullivan
-G. McMurtrie Godley
-Association with Vietnam
-Martin
-Thailand
-Foreign Service officers

-Accusations

-Public relations [PR]

-Orders

-Chou En-lai

-Public statement

-Childs
-Column
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-France
-US troops
-Quotation
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An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 10:46 am.

President’s schedule

-Milton R. Young

-John McFall


The unknown man left at an unknown time before 11:03 am.

Scali’s schedule

-New York Italian Rifle Club

-Dinner

-Stature of club
-Lawyers
-Doctors
-Businessmen
-Artists
-Support for President
-Mood
-Speeches

Watergate

-Attacks on President

-Effect on President’s support


An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 10:46 am.

President’s schedule

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 11:03 am.

Watergate

-Support for President

-Accomplishments
-Vietnam settlement
-Prisoners of War [POW] return
-Soviet Union
-People’s Republic of Chinia [PRC]
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-Emotional reaction

President’s schedule
-Robert C. Byrd

The President et al. left at 11:06 am.