Sound recording of a meeting on Indonesia and Malaysia held on October 9, 1963 between President John F. Kennedy, Under Secretary of State George Ball, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs W. Averell Harriman, Assistant Secretary of State for Far Eastern Affairs Roger Hilsman, Director of Covert Operations for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Richard Helms, Secretary of the Navy Paul Nitze, Senior Member of the National Security Council (NSC) Michael Forrestal, Hugh Tovar, Director of the Office of Southwest Pacific Affairs for the Department of State's Bureau of Far Eastern Affairs James Bell, and Director of the Far East Region for the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs Rear Admiral Luther C. Heinz. The President's schedule also lists "General Turnadge." After the Federation of Malaysia was formed on September 16, 1963, there were protests across Indonesia; many of the protesters felt as if the formation of Malaysia was another form of colonialism. President Kennedy and his staff discuss the political and military situation in Indonesia, the ramifications in the Philippines and in Malaysia, the United Nations, and ANZUS (The Australia, New Zealand, United States Security Treaty) obligations. Six segments of the recording totaling 3 minutes and 13 seconds have been removed in accordance with Section 3.4 (b) (1), (3) of Executive Order 13526. This sound recording has been excerpted from Tape 115/A51, which contains additional sound recording(s) following this one. See Related Records to access Tape 115/A51 in its entirety.