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475–22
- John D. Ehrlichman
- George P. Shultz
- Tricia Nixon Cox
April 8, 1971
Conversation No. 475-22
Date: April 8, 1971
Time: 3:03 pm - 3:55 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John D. Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz
[Lieutenant William L. Calley, Jr. case]
-Letters from unknown contacts
-[Letters from Captain Aubrey M. Daniel and unknown man]
-Releases
-Ehrlichman’s recommendations
-Possible press reaction
-Background of contacts
-Referral to Stanley R. Resor
42
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Instructions for Resor
-Ronald L. Ziegler
-Questions
-Press
-Unknown people writing a book
-Publicity
-”Peaceniks”
-Resor Conv. No. 475-21 (cont.)
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 8s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
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Demonstrations
-Intelligence estimates
-Veterans
-Dates
-April [1971]
-Numbers
-Moratoria
-Dates
-May [1971]
-Sit-ins
-Rennie Davis
-Moratoria
President’s message on the District of Columbia, April 7, 1971
-Last of special messages
Ehrlichman’s schedule
43
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 47s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5 Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
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Shultz’s schedule
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 43s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
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Domestic briefing for administration wives
-Briefing for Congressional wives
-Clark MacGregor and George W. Romney
-Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon
-Duration
-Questions
-Comments
Council on International Economic Policy [CIEP] meeting
-Peter G. Peterson
-Pace of meeting
44
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[National Security]
[Duration: 4s ]
FOREIGN RELATIONS
Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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-Schedule
-John B. Connally and Maurice H. Stans
-Instructions for Shultz
-Discussion of priorities
-Peterson, Shultz, Ehrlichman, Henry A. Kissinger, and President
-Discussion of priorities
-Possible action
-Peterson
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 3m 8s ]
[The President talked with Tricia Nixon at an unknown time between 3:03 pm and 3:55 pm]
[Conversation No. 475-22A]
[See Conversation No. 1-47]
[End of telephone conversation]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
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45
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
Peterson
Anti-trust
-Cartelization
-Need for decisions
-Agriculture
-Franchise Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Stans
-Need for decision
US economic goals
-Peterson
-Imports and exports
-Markets
-High technology
-Balance of payments
-Investment in industrial research
-Defense and space
-National Science Foundation [NSF]
-Defense Department
-Problem
-Peterson’s view
-Breeder reactor
-Possible reaction
-Chet Holifield
-Impact on energy
-Coal technology
-Prospects
-Shale oil
-Peterson’s view
-Items for group discussion
-Kissinger
-Ehrlichman, Shultz, Peterson, and President
-Russell W. Peterson
-Paul W. McCracken
-David M. Kennedy
-Ad hoc meetings
-Federal research efforts
-National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
-Research vs. space business
-Space
46
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Productivity Commission
-Federal effort outside Defense Department
-Medical field
-P. G. Peterson’s view regarding outside people
-General Motors [GM]
-General Electric [GE]
-Bell [Telephone]
-Ten-year projection Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Costs
-Business combinations
-Labor policies
-Difficulty in competition
-Need to revitalize economy
-Sherman Act
-Standard Oil
-Standard Oil of New Jersey, Standard Oil of Indiana
-Airlines
-International competition
-Communications
-Adam Smith theories
-Ominous trends
-Connally’s view on international monetary crisis
-Discussions
-Ehrlichman, Shultz, and P. G. Peterson
-Kissinger, McCracken, President
-Possible meeting at Executive Office Building
-”Brainstorm”
-Timing
-Stans, Richard W. McLaren
-P. G. Peterson, Stans
McLaren
-Report on anti-trust division [Justice Department] operating policy
Cabinet meeting, April 13, 1971
-Peaceful uses of atom
-Holifield
-Craig Hosmer
-Glenn T. Seaborg
-Agenda item
47
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
CIEP meeting
-P. G. Peterson
-Pace of briefing
-Connally
-Possible report to staff
-Evaluation
-Possible Cabinet briefing
-Possible abbreviated report Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Background material
-World events
-Japan
-Need to keep up-to-date
-Possible book by P. G. Peterson for President
-Charts
Sub-Cabinet
-P. G. Peterson
-Relations with William P. Rogers and Connally
P. G. Peterson’s briefing on CIEP meeting
-Possible presentation to Domestic Council staff, National Security Council [NSC]
staff
-Under Secretaries, Cabinet officers
-The President
President’s schedule
-Meeting with Douglas MacArthur, II and Sir Keith J. Holyoake
-Meeting with McCracken, April 9, 1971
McCracken
-Possible resignation
-Hendrik S. Houthakker
-Ezra Solomon
-McCracken
-Michigan
-President’s possible response
-President’s meeting with Shultz, April 9, 1971
-Evaluation
-Policy
-Salesmanship
-Arthur F. Burns
-Shultz
48
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Herbert Stein
-Solomon [?]
Economy
-Prospects
-Earnings
-Department store sales
-Home sales, autos Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Decline of inventories
-GE profits
-Stock market
McCracken
-Future within administration
-Policy
Administration’s economic policy
-Shultz’s appearance in Cleveland
-Steady-as-you-go line
-Taxes
-Spending
-Tone
-Long-term performance of economy
-Criticism
-1972 elections
-Shultz’s appearance in Cleveland
-Burns’ comments
-Burns
President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Comments at Joseph W. Barr’s party for Connally
-Burns
-F Street Club
-Timothy [Surname unknown]
-Reaction of group
-Shultz
-End of war
-Stability
-Effect on economy
-Congress
49
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
Vietnam
-Projections
-Combat
-End of draft
-President’s plans
-General Nguyen Van Thieu’s re-election
-October 1971
-Negotiations Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Negotiations
-Prospects
-Timing
-Terminal date
-Possible agreement
-Odds
-Prisoners of War [POWs]
-Cease fire
-Announcement of withdrawal of US forces
-Effect on North Vietnamese
-Conditions of withdrawal
-POWs
-Effect on South Vietnam
-Time element in negotiations
-Popular sentiment
-Draft
-US combat role
-Withdrawal date
-Analogy with economy
-Time element in negotiations
-Negotiations
-Effect on economy
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Style
-Effectiveness
-Compared with 1959, 1960
-Conclusion
-Effect of reading
-Lack of pretense
-Drama
50
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
Shultz’s meeting with Wilbur D. Mills
-Package proposal
-Burns
-Revenue sharing
-Fiscal relief
-Statement of purpose
-Categories
-Structure of dollar Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:03 pm
President’s schedule
-Postponement of Holyoake meeting
-Meeting with MacArthur
Bull left at an unknown time before 3:55 pm
Shultz’s meeting with Mills
-Revenue sharing
-Level
-Figure
-Formula for funding
-Personal tax basis
-Mills’ changes in formulas
-Element of need
-Population
-Tax effort
-Low income areas of cities
-President’s instruction to Shultz
-Element of need test
-Administration’s efforts
-Role of Treasury as loan bank for states and cities
-Premium interest rate
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
-Connally
-John N. Mitchell
-Talk with Shultz
-John W. Byrnes
-Tax credits
-State and city taxes
-”Piggy-back” on federal income tax
-Percentage of federal tax
51
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Aggregation to state
-Decision-making by locality
-Service value
-Efficiency aspects
-Avoidance of tax duplication
-Facilitation of tax ability of city and state in income tax area
Tax reform
-Prospects for 1972 Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Administration’s position
-Mills
-Budget
-”Piggy-back” option
-Connally
-Possible action
-Study on value-added tax
-Mills and Byrnes
-Possible package proposal
-Meeting with Mills and Byrnes
-Administration’s position
-Congress
-Shared credit with Administration
Welfare bill
-Current situation
Intelligence reorganization
-Memorandum
-Distribution
-President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board [PFIAB]
-Melvin R. Laird and Richard M. Helms
-Shultz and Kissinger
-Shultz’s meeting with PFIAB
-Dr. James R. Schlesinger
-President’s meeting with PFIAB, April 15, 1971
-PFIAB’s membership
-Nelson A. Rockefeller
-Admiral George W. Anderson, Jr.
-Shultz’s and Kissinger’s memorandum on PFIAB
-Benefits
-Opposition
Defense budget
52
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Pay overrun
-Figure
-Fight in House
-Laird
-Administration’s position
-Figures
-Congressional response
-Need for program Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Difficulties
-Pay raise
-Manpower costs
-Capital intensiveness in defense
-President’s meeting with Shultz, April 9, 1971
-Possible Anti-ballistic Missile [ABM]
-Funds
President’s schedule, April 9, 1971
-Meeting with Shultz
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
Ehrlichman’s schedule
-Vacation trip
Ehrlichman and Shultz left at 3:55 pm
Date: April 8, 1971
Time: 3:03 pm - 3:55 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John D. Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz
[Lieutenant William L. Calley, Jr. case]
-Letters from unknown contacts
-[Letters from Captain Aubrey M. Daniel and unknown man]
-Releases
-Ehrlichman’s recommendations
-Possible press reaction
-Background of contacts
-Referral to Stanley R. Resor
42
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Instructions for Resor
-Ronald L. Ziegler
-Questions
-Press
-Unknown people writing a book
-Publicity
-”Peaceniks”
-Resor Conv. No. 475-21 (cont.)
******************************************************************************
BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 8s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
******************************************************************************
Demonstrations
-Intelligence estimates
-Veterans
-Dates
-April [1971]
-Numbers
-Moratoria
-Dates
-May [1971]
-Sit-ins
-Rennie Davis
-Moratoria
President’s message on the District of Columbia, April 7, 1971
-Last of special messages
Ehrlichman’s schedule
43
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 47s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5 Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
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Shultz’s schedule
******************************************************************************
BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 43s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
******************************************************************************
Domestic briefing for administration wives
-Briefing for Congressional wives
-Clark MacGregor and George W. Romney
-Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon
-Duration
-Questions
-Comments
Council on International Economic Policy [CIEP] meeting
-Peter G. Peterson
-Pace of meeting
44
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[National Security]
[Duration: 4s ]
FOREIGN RELATIONS
Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
******************************************************************************
-Schedule
-John B. Connally and Maurice H. Stans
-Instructions for Shultz
-Discussion of priorities
-Peterson, Shultz, Ehrlichman, Henry A. Kissinger, and President
-Discussion of priorities
-Possible action
-Peterson
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 3m 8s ]
[The President talked with Tricia Nixon at an unknown time between 3:03 pm and 3:55 pm]
[Conversation No. 475-22A]
[See Conversation No. 1-47]
[End of telephone conversation]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
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45
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
Peterson
Anti-trust
-Cartelization
-Need for decisions
-Agriculture
-Franchise Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Stans
-Need for decision
US economic goals
-Peterson
-Imports and exports
-Markets
-High technology
-Balance of payments
-Investment in industrial research
-Defense and space
-National Science Foundation [NSF]
-Defense Department
-Problem
-Peterson’s view
-Breeder reactor
-Possible reaction
-Chet Holifield
-Impact on energy
-Coal technology
-Prospects
-Shale oil
-Peterson’s view
-Items for group discussion
-Kissinger
-Ehrlichman, Shultz, Peterson, and President
-Russell W. Peterson
-Paul W. McCracken
-David M. Kennedy
-Ad hoc meetings
-Federal research efforts
-National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
-Research vs. space business
-Space
46
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Productivity Commission
-Federal effort outside Defense Department
-Medical field
-P. G. Peterson’s view regarding outside people
-General Motors [GM]
-General Electric [GE]
-Bell [Telephone]
-Ten-year projection Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Costs
-Business combinations
-Labor policies
-Difficulty in competition
-Need to revitalize economy
-Sherman Act
-Standard Oil
-Standard Oil of New Jersey, Standard Oil of Indiana
-Airlines
-International competition
-Communications
-Adam Smith theories
-Ominous trends
-Connally’s view on international monetary crisis
-Discussions
-Ehrlichman, Shultz, and P. G. Peterson
-Kissinger, McCracken, President
-Possible meeting at Executive Office Building
-”Brainstorm”
-Timing
-Stans, Richard W. McLaren
-P. G. Peterson, Stans
McLaren
-Report on anti-trust division [Justice Department] operating policy
Cabinet meeting, April 13, 1971
-Peaceful uses of atom
-Holifield
-Craig Hosmer
-Glenn T. Seaborg
-Agenda item
47
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
CIEP meeting
-P. G. Peterson
-Pace of briefing
-Connally
-Possible report to staff
-Evaluation
-Possible Cabinet briefing
-Possible abbreviated report Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Background material
-World events
-Japan
-Need to keep up-to-date
-Possible book by P. G. Peterson for President
-Charts
Sub-Cabinet
-P. G. Peterson
-Relations with William P. Rogers and Connally
P. G. Peterson’s briefing on CIEP meeting
-Possible presentation to Domestic Council staff, National Security Council [NSC]
staff
-Under Secretaries, Cabinet officers
-The President
President’s schedule
-Meeting with Douglas MacArthur, II and Sir Keith J. Holyoake
-Meeting with McCracken, April 9, 1971
McCracken
-Possible resignation
-Hendrik S. Houthakker
-Ezra Solomon
-McCracken
-Michigan
-President’s possible response
-President’s meeting with Shultz, April 9, 1971
-Evaluation
-Policy
-Salesmanship
-Arthur F. Burns
-Shultz
48
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Herbert Stein
-Solomon [?]
Economy
-Prospects
-Earnings
-Department store sales
-Home sales, autos Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Decline of inventories
-GE profits
-Stock market
McCracken
-Future within administration
-Policy
Administration’s economic policy
-Shultz’s appearance in Cleveland
-Steady-as-you-go line
-Taxes
-Spending
-Tone
-Long-term performance of economy
-Criticism
-1972 elections
-Shultz’s appearance in Cleveland
-Burns’ comments
-Burns
President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Comments at Joseph W. Barr’s party for Connally
-Burns
-F Street Club
-Timothy [Surname unknown]
-Reaction of group
-Shultz
-End of war
-Stability
-Effect on economy
-Congress
49
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
Vietnam
-Projections
-Combat
-End of draft
-President’s plans
-General Nguyen Van Thieu’s re-election
-October 1971
-Negotiations Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Negotiations
-Prospects
-Timing
-Terminal date
-Possible agreement
-Odds
-Prisoners of War [POWs]
-Cease fire
-Announcement of withdrawal of US forces
-Effect on North Vietnamese
-Conditions of withdrawal
-POWs
-Effect on South Vietnam
-Time element in negotiations
-Popular sentiment
-Draft
-US combat role
-Withdrawal date
-Analogy with economy
-Time element in negotiations
-Negotiations
-Effect on economy
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Style
-Effectiveness
-Compared with 1959, 1960
-Conclusion
-Effect of reading
-Lack of pretense
-Drama
50
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
Shultz’s meeting with Wilbur D. Mills
-Package proposal
-Burns
-Revenue sharing
-Fiscal relief
-Statement of purpose
-Categories
-Structure of dollar Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:03 pm
President’s schedule
-Postponement of Holyoake meeting
-Meeting with MacArthur
Bull left at an unknown time before 3:55 pm
Shultz’s meeting with Mills
-Revenue sharing
-Level
-Figure
-Formula for funding
-Personal tax basis
-Mills’ changes in formulas
-Element of need
-Population
-Tax effort
-Low income areas of cities
-President’s instruction to Shultz
-Element of need test
-Administration’s efforts
-Role of Treasury as loan bank for states and cities
-Premium interest rate
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
-Connally
-John N. Mitchell
-Talk with Shultz
-John W. Byrnes
-Tax credits
-State and city taxes
-”Piggy-back” on federal income tax
-Percentage of federal tax
51
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Aggregation to state
-Decision-making by locality
-Service value
-Efficiency aspects
-Avoidance of tax duplication
-Facilitation of tax ability of city and state in income tax area
Tax reform
-Prospects for 1972 Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Administration’s position
-Mills
-Budget
-”Piggy-back” option
-Connally
-Possible action
-Study on value-added tax
-Mills and Byrnes
-Possible package proposal
-Meeting with Mills and Byrnes
-Administration’s position
-Congress
-Shared credit with Administration
Welfare bill
-Current situation
Intelligence reorganization
-Memorandum
-Distribution
-President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board [PFIAB]
-Melvin R. Laird and Richard M. Helms
-Shultz and Kissinger
-Shultz’s meeting with PFIAB
-Dr. James R. Schlesinger
-President’s meeting with PFIAB, April 15, 1971
-PFIAB’s membership
-Nelson A. Rockefeller
-Admiral George W. Anderson, Jr.
-Shultz’s and Kissinger’s memorandum on PFIAB
-Benefits
-Opposition
Defense budget
52
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 9/08)
-Pay overrun
-Figure
-Fight in House
-Laird
-Administration’s position
-Figures
-Congressional response
-Need for program Conv. No. 475-22 (cont.)
-Difficulties
-Pay raise
-Manpower costs
-Capital intensiveness in defense
-President’s meeting with Shultz, April 9, 1971
-Possible Anti-ballistic Missile [ABM]
-Funds
President’s schedule, April 9, 1971
-Meeting with Shultz
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
Ehrlichman’s schedule
-Vacation trip
Ehrlichman and Shultz left at 3:55 pm