613–5

Conversation No. 613-5

Date: November 2, 1971
Time: 4:40 pm - 5:24 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

Agriculture Department
-J. Philip Campbell
-Trading stock
-Arnold R. Weber's negotiations
-Clifford M. Hardin's replacement
-Possible meeting with the press
-Possible statement on government reorganization
-Farm organizations

Government reorganization
-Department of Agriculture
-Prospects
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-Labor Department
-Titles of Cabinet Secretaries
-Secretary of State
-Term, “Counselor”
-Attorney General
-Postmaster General
-Secretary of Defense
-Department of Community Development
-Secretary of Transportation
-John A. Volpe

Volpe
-Ehrlichman's conversation with Dwight A. Ink
-Ambassadorship to Italy
-Highway interests
-Italian elections
-Emilio Colombo
-William P. Rogers's view
-Timing
-Italian elections

Government reorganization
-Titles of Cabinet Secretaries
-“Counselor to the President”
-Secretary of State
-Administrators

Agriculture Department
-[Clayton Yeutter]
-Meeting with Ehrlichman, November 1, 1971
-Roman L. Hruska
-John N. Mitchell
-Relationship with Carl T. Curtis

Curtis
-Wife
-Ehrlichman's conversation with Bryce N. Harlow
-The President's schedule

Agriculture Department
-Earl L. Butz
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-[Yeutter]
-Present position
-Department of Agriculture
-Branch
-Compared to Department of Housing and Urban Development
[HUD
-Farm

J. Edgar Hoover
-Princeton University conference
-Call for probe of Federal Bureau of Investigations [FBI]
-Joseph Kraft's column, November 2, 1971
-Possible attack on the FBI
-Congress
-Tone of presentation
-Tenure in office
-Possible departure
-Announcement
-Timing
-Ehrlichman's possible conversation with William H. Sullivan
-Sullivan's possible role with the administration
-Mitchell
-The President's possible conversation with Hoover
-1972 campaign

Rose Mary Woods talked with the President at an unknown time between 4:40 pm and 5:13 pm.

[Conversation No. 613-5A]

[See Conversation No. 13-78]

[End of telephone conversation]

Hoover
-Tenure in office
-The President's possible conversation with Hoover
-Transition
-1972 campaign
-Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
-Mitchell
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Pentagon Papers
-White House response
-John G. Tower
-Government of South Vietnam
-W[illiam] Averell Harriman
-Ngo Dinh Diem
- Lt. Gen. Duong Van (“Big Minh”) Minh
-Roger Hilsman
-Dean Rusk
-Robert S. McNamara
-Henry Cabot Lodge
-Coup
-Diem
-Successor
-Central Intelligence Agency [CIA] Station Chief
-State Department
-Defense Department
-CIA
-Richard M. Helms
-John A. McCone
-William E. Colby
-Agency for International Development [AID]
-Forthcoming meeting with Ehrlichman
-Son, Jonathan Colby
-Tricia Nixon Cox's wedding
-Princeton University
-Meeting with Ehrlichman in Vietnam
-George P. Shultz
-Schedule
-Forthcoming meeting with Ehrlichman

Hoover
-Mitchell's call to Ehrlichman
-Trip to People’s Republic of China [PRC]

Agriculture Department
-Harlow
-Conversation with John C. Whitaker

Government reorganization
-Titles
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-Agriculture Department
-Hardin's replacement
-Volpe
-George W. Romney
-Rogers C. B. Morton

Richard H. Poff
-Bill [Surname unknown]
-John L. McClellan

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:40 pm.

Henry A. Kissinger's schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 5:13 pm.

Value Added Tax [VAT]
-Ehrlichman's conversation with Shultz
-Possible rate
-Budget
-Shultz's view
-Domestic initiative

Domestic program
-Revenue sharing
-Environment
-Government reorganization
-Congress
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-John F. Kennedy

Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:40 pm.

The President's schedule
-Kissinger
-Ronald L. Ziegler

Bull left at an unknown time before 5:13 pm.

VAT
-Preparation
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-Michigan

Daniel Ellsberg
-Andrew Coyne's article
-News summary
-Indiana University
-CIA psychoanalysis

Busing
-Possible constitutional amendment
-Pending Congressional vote
-South
-Democrats
-Amendment on higher education bill
-Edward L. Morgan's group's activities
-Louis P. Harris poll
-Domestic Council
-Possible constitutional amendment
-Edmund S. Muskie, Hubert H. Humphrey, Edward M. Kennedy and Jackson
-Morgan
-Philip A. Hart
-Recall petition

Frank F. Church
-Recall petition

Hart
-Recall petition
-Robert P. Griffin

Busing
-Blacks' view
-Popular opinion


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-Views of Daniel P. Moynihan's friend from Johns Hopkins University

Race relations

Kissinger entered at 5:13 pm.

-Universities
-Black studies
-Impact
-University of Washington
-Quotas
-White man's suit
-Judge's ruling

The President's forthcoming meeting with Gerald R. Ford and Leslie C. Arends
-Kissinger's conversation with Clark MacGregor
-Vietnam

Ehrlichman left at 5:20 pm.

-Troop withdrawal
-Deadline
-Handling
-Advance talk

Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:20 pm.

The President's schedule
-Ford and Arends

Bull left at an unknown time before 5:24 pm.

The President's forthcoming meeting with Ford and Arends
-Vietnam
-Troop withdrawal
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-Deadline
-Kissinger's schedule
-MacGregor
-Foreign aid
-H. R. Haldeman
-Kissinger's conversation with MacGregor
-Kissinger’s role
-Vietnam
-Negotiations
-North Vietnamese Foreign Minister's article
-Political situation in House of Representatives
-Public feeling
-Votes
-MacGregor

Kissinger left at 5:24 pm.