224–15

Conversation No. 224-15

Date: November 14, 1972
Time: 10:04 am - 12:40 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman.

The President’s recent conversation with Mamie G. D. Eisenhower
-Birthday

1973 Inauguration
-Church services
-The President’s recent conversation with William F. (“Billy”) Graham
-1969 inauguration
-Governors, Congress
-The President’s attendance
-Religious character
-Distraction
-Prayer breakfast
-The President's attendance
-Graham
-The President’s schedule
-J. Willard (“Bill”) Marriott, Jr.
-Invitations
-Edmund Ray [?]
-Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
-Preparations
-Comparison to 1969
-Abraham Lincoln
-Inaugural book
-Speeches
-Theodore Roosevelt [TR]
-[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
-Church services
-1969 inauguration
-The President’s schedule
-Edward L. R. Elson
-Governors, Cabinet
-Promotion of religion
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-White House
-Knight errantry
-Statement
-Prayers
-Clergymen
-Greek Orthodox
-Jewish
-Catholic
-Protestant
-Mark Treisch
-Congressional role
-Parade
-Control
-Inaugural committee
-White House
-John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
-Entertainment
-Julie Nixon Eisenhower
-Tricia Nixon Cox
-Julie Nixon Eisenhower
-Job at foundation
-Documentary film production
-Work on inaugural
-Pay
-Travel expenses
-West
-Documentaries
-Editors
-The President’s trips to the People’s Republic of China [PRC],
Soviet Union
-Timing
-Audience
-Compared to readership for book
-1972 campaign
-Compared to George S. McGovern
-Editor
-Advocacy

Winston S. Churchill
-Biography: [The War That Churchill Waged]
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-[Earl of Cromer] George R.S. Baning
-Lewis Broad
-Quotation

Public relations [PR]
-Image of the President
-Robert B. Semple, Jr. article
-Crucial decisions of first term
-Cambodia
-May 8, 1972
-PRC opening
-August 15, 1971 announcement
-Family Assistance Plan
-Courage
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Vietnam
-John B. Connally
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-Bombing
-Barry M. Goldwater
-Documentaries
-Editors
-Viewpoint
-Darryl F. Zanuck
-Support for Dwight D. Eisenhower
-Crusade in Europe
-Churchill
-The Finest Hours
-Patton
-Book
-[George C. Scott]
-Producer [Frank McCarthy]
-Honesty
-Semple
-John F. Osborne
-Frank Van Der Linden
-Advocacy
-1972 campaign
-Expenses
-Foundation
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Supporters of the President
-Writing
-Conservative
-Patrick J. Buchanan
-Abilities
-Poet
-Hugh S. Sidey
-Compared to Theodore H. (“Teddy”) White
-Churchill movie [Young Winston]
-Techniques
-Portrayal of Churchill
-Warmth
-Qualities
-Vanity, ambition
-Mother [Jennie (Jerome) Churchill]
-Father [Randolph Churchill]
-Syphilis
-Marlborough: His Life and Times

-Editor
-Supporters
-Research
-Intellectuals
-Writers

Second term reorganization
-Winston Churchill
-Biographies
-Britain
-Cabinet formation
-Benjamin Disraeli
-Hughenden Manor
-Resignations
-Cabinet changes
-Novelty
-Franklin D. Roosevelt
-Lincoln
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-1956 election
-Heart attack
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-House of Representatives, Senate
-Arthur S. Fleming
-The President's goals
-Robert Finch
-Concerns
-Telephone calls to Ehrlichman
-The President’s schedule
-Agnew
-Connally
-Roy L. Ash
-Ash
-Role in administration
-Agnew
-Legality

Budget
-The President’s concern
-Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
-Frank C. Carlucci
-Kenneth R. Cole, Jr
-George P.Schultz
-Herbert Stein
-Impact on economy
-George T. Humphrey's remark
-Eisenhower
-Recession
-Cuts
-Social programs
-Weinberger
-Milk Fund
-School funds
-Judgment
-Department of Health, Education and Welfare
-Return from Philadelphia
-Changes
-Clean Water Bill
-Proposals for the President
-Certification of projects
-William D. Ruckelshaus
-Repeal
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Expenditures
-Ruckelshaus
-Environmental programs
-School lunches
-Problems
-Weinberger
-Shultz
-Model cities
-Gerald R. Ford
-Education
-Higher education
-National Science Foundation [NSF]

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 10:04 am

Refreshments
-Delivery

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 11:36 am.

-Military
-Kissinger
-Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
-Control
-Left wingers
-[Homosexuals]
-Defense Intelligence Agency [DIA]
-Waste
-Intelligence product
-Value


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-Personnel
-Pentagon
-Alameda, CA
-Washington, DC
-Unemployment
-Civilians
-Kissinger
-Negotiator
-White House
-Secret Service
-Example
-Nelson A. Rockefeller’s view
-Charles W. Colson's office


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Agnew
-1976 Election
-Presidential candidates
-Agnew
-Compared to Charles H. Percy
-Compared to John B. Anderson
-Edward M. Kennedy
-The President’s support
-Role as Vice President
-Limits
-Staff cuts
-Compared to the President’s service as Vice President
-Strategy for handling
-Denial of the President’s support
-Second term independence
-Leverage
-Secrecy
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Chances of nomination
-Compared to 1960 election
-Eisenhower
-John Foster Dulles
-Christian A. Herter
-The President’s efforts
-Compared to Agnew’s efforts
-South, Midwest
-Denial of the President’s support
-Office of Intergovernmental Relations
-Contacts for Agnew
-Mayors
-Ronald Reagan
-Political aspect
-Advantages for Agnew
-Disadvantages for the President
-Assignments
-Bicentennial
-Problems
-Advantages
-Travel
-Visibility
-1976 plans
-Current activities
-Compared to the President in 1960
-Travel
-Television
-Golf
-Image
-Republican delegates
-Rivals
-Kennedy
-Defeat
-Connally
-Delayed decision
-Cabinet
-Elliot L. Richardson
-Peter G. Peterson
-The President’s choice
-Abilities as President
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Energy
-Leadership
-Staff respect
-Supporters
-Buchanan
-Right wingers
-Compared to Goldwater
-Intelligence
-Candidate
-Supporters
-Compared to the President’s supporters
-Intelligence
-Right wingers
-Left wingers
-Loyalty
-Human Events
-M. Stanton Evans
-[Unintelligible name]
-Goldwater
-Views
-Race
-Liberalism
-Spending policies
-Inconsistency
-Foreign policy
-Contrast with Connally
-Strength
-Judgment
-Stubbornness
-Office of Intergovernmental Relations
-Alternative presidential candidate
-The President’s support
-William E. Brock III
-Options
-Roosevelt
-Eisenhower
-Ambition

1972 election
-Media commentary
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-James B. (“Scotty”) Reston, Thomas Grey (“Tom”) Wicker
-Democratic party
-Internal conflicts
-Jean Westwood
-George C. Wallace vote
-McGovern statement
-Ronald L. Ziegler comment
-McGovern
-White House statements
-R. Sargent Shriver, Jr.
-Surrogates
-Attacks

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Ehrlichman talked with the Camp David operator at an unknown time between 10:04 am and
11:36 am. Haldeman and the President can be heard in the background.

[Conversation No. 224-15A]

[See Conversation No. 183-1]

Kissinger’s schedule
-Trip to Paris
-Announcement
-Ziegler
-Trip to Camp David

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Agnew
-Alternative presidential candidate

Second term reorganization
-Goals
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Access to the President
-The President’s inclination
-Cabinet meetings

Ehrlichman talked with Ziegler at an unknown time between 10:04 am and 11:36 am.

[Conversation No. 224-15B]

[See Conversation No. 183-2]

The President conferred with Haldeman at an unknown time between 10:04 am and 11:36 am.

1972 election
-White House statements
-Lawrence F. O’Brien, Jr.
-Westwood
-Shriver
-McGovern
-Wallace vote

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Second term reorganization
-Five principle areas
-Policy making groups
-Domestic, economic, foreign policy
-Economic policy
-Foreign and domestic economics
-Stein
-Shultz
-Cost of Living Council
-Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]
-Treasury Department
-Commerce Department
-Labor Department
-Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Role contrasted to domestic policy making group
-Implementation
-White House staff
-Assignments for five principle areas
-Ehrlichman, Haldeman
-Economic policy
-Shultz
-Dual role
-Secretary of the Treasury, advisor to the President
-Foreign policy
-Kissinger
-OMB
-Ash
-White House staff
-Haldeman
-Structure
-Office of Management and Budget
-Ash
-Problem
-Compared to Robert S. McNamara
-Temporary assignment
-Reorganization
-Permanent replacement
-Frederic V. Malek
-Malek
-Temperament
-Judgment
-Personnel
-Ash
-Outsider
-Understanding
-Organization chart
-Foreign policy
-Kissinger
-Defense Department
-State Department
-CIA
-Domestic policy
-Ehrlichman
-Super secretaries
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Natural Resources
-Interior
-Community Development
-Human Resources
-Natural Resources
-Secretary of the Interior
-Community Development
-Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
-Secretary of Agriculture
-Delegation of authorities
-Secretary of Transportation
-Coast Guard
-Delegation to Defense Department
-Legal status
-John A. Volpe successor
-Melvin R. Laird successor
-Troop deployment, force levels
-Justice Department
-Human Resources
-Richardson
-Weinberger
-Areas of responsibility
-Court appointments, prosecutions, anti-trust
-Attorney General
-Relations with the President
-Richard G. Kleindienst

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at an unknown time after 10:00 am.

Telephone call from Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson

Butterfield left at an unknown time before 11:36 am.

Second term reorganization
-Domestic policy
-Compared to the Domestic Council

Telephone calls
-Birthday calls
-Mamie G. D. Eisenhower
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Jackson
-Tel Aviv
-Birthday calls

Second term reorganization
-Justice Department
-Attorney General
-Kleindienst
-John N. Mitchell
-Press story
-Changes
-Appointments
-Assistant Attorney Generals
-Deputy Attorney General
-Councils
-National Security Council [NSC]
-Agnew
-Office of Emergency Preparedness [OEP] director [Gen. George A.
Lincoln]
-Domestic Council
-Cuts
-Policy making
-Members
-Super Secretaries
-Attorney General
-Mitchell
-Kleindienst
-Natural resources group
-Policy group
-Secretaries of Agriculture, Commerce
-Contacts with the President
-The President’s possible trip to Israel
-Cabinet meetings
-Budget
-Agriculture Department
-Secretary
-Conditions of job
-Earl L. Butz
-Dealings with farmers
-Natural resources group
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Economic Development Group
-Public announcements
-Purpose
-Executive branch efficiency
-Delegation of authority
-White House staff
-Natural resources group
-Rogers C. B. Morton
-Congressional opposition
-Title for job
-Counselor for Natural Resources
-Secretary of the Interior
-Finch
-Donald H. Rumsfeld
-Policy group
-Current role of White House staff
-Mediation
-Butz and Morton
-Forest lands
-Counselor Natural Resources
-Butz
-Morton
-George P. Herzog
-Super secretaries
-Offices
-Executive Office Building
-Under Secretaries
-Management responsibilities
-Congressional approval
-Counselors
-Responsibility to the President
-NSC
-Kissinger
-Current set-up
-OEP
-Membership
-Meetings
-Foreign Policy Council
-Generation of peace
-Staff cuts
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Kissinger
-Domestic Council
-Staff cuts
-NSC
-Delegation of work to departments
-Analysis, mediation, papers, speeches
-Economic policy
-OMB
-Impact on budget, management
-Foreign Policy Council
-Meetings
-Kissinger
-The President
-NSC role
-Agnew
-Shultz
-Office
-EOB
-Secretary of the Treasury
-Responsibilities
-Foreign and Economic Policy Council
-Council on International Economic Policy [CIEP]
-Peter M. Flanigan
-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS]
-Kissinger
-Meetings
-Vietnam
-Settlement agreement
-White House staff role
-Haldeman, Erlichman
-Control of bureaucracy
-Ash
-Lines of authority
-Independent agencies
-Subordination
-National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
-Rockefeller
-Ash
-OMB
-Public relations
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-The President’s Advisory Council on Executive Organization
[PACEO]
-Rockefeller
-Blue room presentation [November 19, 1970?]
-Connally
-Support
-Complexities
-Politics
-FDR
-TR
-Lincoln
-TR
-Hyphenated Americans
-Jewish, Catholic appointments
-FDR
-Butz
-Constituencies for departments
-Farmers
-Interior Department
-Environmentalists
-Super secretaries
-Weinberger
-Human Resources, HEW
-Shultz
-Economic Development
-Community Development
-Secretary of HUD
-Under Secretary
-The President’s liaisons with departments
-Cabinet role
-Staff
-Conglomerate corporation
-Litton Industries
-Ash
-Agnew
-Forthcoming conversation
-Cuts in White House staff
-Symbolism
-Staff
-Quality
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Size
-National Aeronautics and Space Council
-Indian Opportunity Council
-Youth Employment Council
-Human Resources
-Role
-Bicentennial
-1976 plans
-Controversies
-Travel
-Office of Intergovernmental Relations [OIR]
-Counselor for Community Development
-Rural, urban
-Governors and mayors
-EOB
-OMB
-Ash
-The President’s reluctance
-Ash
-Councils
-Leadership
-Foreign policy
-Domestic policy
-Erlichman
-Shultz
-Job title
-Announcement
-Emphasis on counselors, Cabinet
-PR
-Cuts in White House staff
-Impact on public
-White House staff
-Labor leader
-Colson’s view
-Politics
-Jews
-Leonard Garment
-Labor representative
-Labor Secretary
-Role
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Jews
-Human Resources
-Arts
-Science advisor
-The President’s Science Advisory Committee [PSAC]
-Office of Science and Technology [OST]
-Science advisor
-Eisenhower
-Sputnik
-Special drug advisor
-Cancer research
-HEW
-Independent agencies
-Reporting channels
-Economic Development
-PSAC
-Military and Foreign Policy
-Arms Control and Disarmament Agency
-Kissinger
-Kissinger
-Responsibilities
-Selective Service Administration
-ACDA
-Ash
-OST
-Division
-John J. McCloy committee
-The President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board [PFIAB]
-Kissinger
-Delegation of responsibilities
-Cabinet officers
-Resignations
-Condition of employment

The President’s schedule

The President talked with the Camp David operator at an unknown time between 10:04 am and
11:36 am.

[Conversation No. 224-15C]
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[See Conversation No. 153-8]

[End of telephone conversation]

White House operators
-Transfer to Camp David

Press relations
-Trailer
-Briefings
-Announcement, November 17, 1972
-Kissinger
-Ziegler

The President's schedule
-Possible television [TV] appearance

Vietnam negotiations
-PR plan
-Meetings with Haldeman, Kissinger and Ziegler

Agnew
-Staff
-Resignations

Second term reorganization
-PFIAB
-Plans
-Deadline
-Implementation
-Announcement
-The President's schedule
-Florida
-Staff work
-PR
-Raymond K. Price, Jr.

The President talked with Jackson between 11:36 am and 11:41 am.
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

[Conversation No. 224-15D]

[See Conversation No. 153-9]

[End of telephone conversation]

Second term reorganization
-Secretary of Defense
-Jackson
-Problems
-Daniel J. Evans
-Republican


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1972 election
-Republican Party
-Credit for victories
-Evans
-Ford
-Robert P. Griffin
-John G. Tower
-Evans
-Erlichman’s trip
-The President’s telephone call

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Second term reorganization
-Replacement for Jackson
-Pressure on Evans
-Democrats for Nixon
-Goodwin Chase
-Anthony G. Chase
-Small Business Administration [SBA]
-Background
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Banking
-Secretary of Defense
-Jackson
-The President’s previous offer
-Edward M. Kennedy
-Religion
-Catholic, Lutheran
-Kennedy
-Campaign manager
-Richardson
-Congressional relations
-“Message to Garcia” [Nguyen Van Thieu]
-John A. McCone
-Presidential aspirations
-Vice Presidency
-Kennedy
-“Message to Garcia” [Thieu]
-Plans
-Age
-Governmental Operations Committee chair
-Retirement pension


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-Wealth
-Warren G. (“Maggie”) Magnuson

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-Family
-Age
-Children [Anna M. Jackson, Peter H. Jackson]
-Wife [Helen Eugenia (Hardin) Jackson]
-Political views

1972 election
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Henry Jackson
-Support for George S. McGovern
-Washington

Second term reorganization
-Defense Department
-William Clements
-Republican
-Jackson
-Appointments
-Notifications
-Henry Jackson
-Gordon L. Allott
-Jack R. Miller
-Alcott
-Age
-Loyalty
-Complaints
-Interior Department
-Under Secretary
-James D. Schlesinger, Jr.
-CIA
-Schlesinger
-Personnel cuts
-DIA
-Defense Department
-Personnel cuts
-Kissinger
-Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Necessity
-Jackson
-Richardson
-Clements
-State Department
-[David] Kenneth Rush
-Support
-Problems
-Managerial ability
-Berlin
-Loyalty
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Conditions of appointment
-Under secretary
-Rockefeller
-Richardson
-Foreign Service
-Under Secretary
-Under Secretary for Political Affairs
-U. Alexis Johnson
-Under Secretary
-Frank C. Carlucci
-Foreign Service
-Personnel cuts
-OMB
-Management performance
-Rio de Janeiro embassy
-Staff cuts
-Office of Economic Opportunities [OEO]
-Legal services project
-Los Angeles
-OMB performance
-Shultz’s view
-Arnold H. Weber
-Malek
-Cabinet post
-Under Secretary for Political Affairs
-Rush
-Special projects
-Foreign Service
-Kissinger’s recommendation
-William J. Casey
-Internal Revenue Service [IRS]
-Casey
-Interest
-Appointment
-Loyalty
-Credentials
-State Department
-Under Secretary
-Credentials
-Loyalty
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-James T. Lynn
-Background
-Casey
-Background
-Malek
-Rush
-Under Secretary for Political Affairs
-Johnson
-Foreign Service
-Kissinger
-Age
-David R. Young, Jr.
-David Osborne
-Counsel General to Hong Kong
-Loyalty
-PRC
-Desire for change
-Political views
-Foreign Service
-Charles Whitehouse
-Kissinger
-Eugene Carson Blake
-Whittier
-Adlai E. Stevenson, II
-R. Sargent Shriver
-Relationship by marraige
-Joseph W. Alsop
-White House
-Loyalty
-Under Secretary
-Carlucci
-Paul H. Nitze
-“Georgetown set”
-Relationship to Dean G. Acheson
-Loyalty
-Casey
-Economic issues
-William P. Rogers
-Flanigan
-Titles
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Under Secretary for Economic Affairs
-Irwin
-Under Secretary for Political Affairs
-Johnson
-Under Secretary for Coordinating Security Assistance
Programs
-Curtis W. Tarr
-Tarr
-Expertise
-Age
-Selective Service System
-Rogers
-David M. Abshire
-Political views
-Conservatism
-Foreign Service
-Rogers
-Relationship to Adm. George W. Anderson, Jr.
-[Carolyn Lamar (Sample) Abshire]
-William B. Macomber, Jr.
-Abshire
-Congressional relations
-Foreign service
-Macomber
-Abilities
-Loyalty
-Work with Shultz
-Walker
-Treasury Department
-Schultz’s view
-Paul A. Volcker
-Walker
-Volcker
-Loyalty
-Intelligence
-Walker
-House Ways and Means Committee
-Replacement
-Under Secretary
-Flanigan
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Work with Shultz
-Confirmation problem
-Other Under Secretary positions
-Interior, Agriculture, Transportation Departments
-Dillon, Read, and Co.
-State Department
Under Secretary positions
-Title
-Economic affairs

Second term reorganization
-Henry Jackson
-Schedule
-State Department, Defense Department, ACDA
-Meeting with President
-State Department
-Secretary of Defense
-Malek
-Kissinger
-Rush
-Under Secretary
-Casey
-IRS
-Casey
-Malek’s candidate
-[George D. Webster]
-Confirmation Problem
-Casey
-State Department
-Richardson
-Defense Department
-HEW
-Plan for personnel cuts
-Block grant approach
-Weinberger
-IRS
-State Department
-Under Secretary
-Federal Trade Commission [FTC]
-State Department
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Washington, DC social set
-Rockefeller
-Secretary of Defense
-Kissinger
-Recruitment
-Difficulties
-Gains to administration
-State Department
-Jackson
-Israel trip
-Richardson
-HEW personnel cuts
-Personnel cuts at the Defense Department
-Personnel cuts
-Proposals
-Morton
-Peter G. Peterson
-Butz
-Richardson
-Attorney General
-Civil rights approach
-HEW
-Justice Department
-Mitchell, Kleindinst
-Symbolism
-South
-Kleindienst
-Retention at Justice Department
-Conditions
-Subordinates
-Loyalty
-Appointments
-Meetings with Haldeman, Ehrlichman
-Possible written agreements
-Congressional pressures
-Rogers
-Departure from administration
-Other cabinet members
-George W. Romney
-John A. Volpe
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Tape Subject Log
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Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Departures
-Romney
-Volpe
-Laird
-Romney
-Cabinet officers
-Resignations
-Timing
-Romney
-Richard C. Van Dusen
-Recess appointment
-No exceptions
-Replacements
-Recommendations
-Connally and Mitchell
-Romney
-Volpe
-Rogers
-Timing
-Vietnam
-Settlement agreement
-Conflicts with Kissinger
-PR
-Announcements
-Stories on changes
-Presidential TV appearances
-Meetings with the President at Camp David
-Announcements
-Ziegler
-Ash
-Announcements
-Jackson
-Timing
-Leaks
-Publicity for each officer
-Announcements
-Staff cuts
-Reorganization plans
-Ehrlichman’s role
-Cabinet officers
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

Tape Subject Log
(rev. Apr.-08)

Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Order
-State Department, Defense Department
-Independent agencies
-Shultz
-Cabinet
-Shultz
-Economic policy
-Kleindienst
-Butz
-Rogers
-Morton
-Problems
-Congressional relations
-Relationship with the President
-Anne (Jonas) Morton
-Retention
-Bureau of Indian Affairs
-Butz
-Ambassadorship to Canada
-Departure
-Tenure in office
-Cabinet officers
-Orientation session
-Butz
-Appointment
-Interior Department
-Loyalty
-Shultz
-Loyalty
-Richardson
-Weinberger
-Department of Housing and Urban Development
-Credibility
-Super secretary
-Community development
-Revenue sharing
-Background
-Richardson
-HEW
-The President’s views
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

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(rev. Apr.-08)

Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Education, health, busing
-Political orientation
-Credibility
-Humane
-Busing
-Orientation session
-Weinberger
-HUD
-Ash
-Richardson
-Butz
-Kliendienst
-Attorney General
-Retention
-Conditions
-Reform of Justice Department
-Henry E. Peterson
-Retention
-[Watergate]
-Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] directorship
-FBI
-Jerry K. Wilson
-Loyalty
-Reputation
-Managerial abilities
-L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III
-Departure
-Confirmation
-Problem
-Deputy Attorney General
-Gray
-Under Secretary of State
-Background
-Adm. Arthur W. Radford
-Loyalty
-FBI
-Casey
-Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC]
-CIA
-Schlesinger
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

Tape Subject Log
(rev. Apr.-08)

Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-IRS
-State Department
-Under Secretary
-Gray
-FBI
-Under Secretary of State
-Toughness
-[Watergate]
-Subordinates
-Problems
-FBI
-Removal of officials
-Wilson
-Desire for job
-Gray
-Wilson
-Washington, DC police department
-Walter E. Washington
-George H.W. Bush
-Loyalty
-Managerial ability
-Cabinet position
-Personality
-Interior Secretary
-Abilities
-Compared to Morton
-Background
-Texas
-Indians
-Morton
-Departure
-Butz as counselor
-Farm Belt
-Ambassadoship to Canada
-Pipeline
-Work with Canadians
-Successes
-Pierre E. Trudeau
-U.S.-Canada relations
-Minority government
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

Tape Subject Log
(rev. Apr.-08)

Conversation No. 224-15 (cont’d)

-Wire to the President
-Political orientation
-Chou En-Lai
-Constituency
-Quebec

The President's schedule
-Haldeman’s and Ehrlichman’s meeting with Ash and Malek
-Timing
-Harry S. Dent

Ehrlichman and Haldeman left at 12:40 pm.