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408-003a
- President Richard M. Nixon
- Earl L. Butz
- James T. Lynn
- Caspar W. "Cap" Weinberger
- Stephen B. Bull
- White House photographer
- John D. Ehrlichman
February 5, 1973
Conversation No. 408-3
Date: February 5, 1973
Time: 2:58 pm - 4:05 pm.
Location: Executive Office Building
The President met with Earl L. Butz, James T. Lynn, Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger and
Stephen B. Bull. The White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.
Seating arrangements
Weinberger’s confirmation hearing
-Questions
-Timing
-Vote
-William E. Timmons
[Photograph session]
Unknown man
-Women [?]
-Age
-Senate
The White House photographer left at an unknown time before 4:05 pm.
3
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
John D. Ehrlichman’s schedule
Stephen B. Bull left at an unknown time after 4:05 pm.
Ehrlichman entered at an unknown time before 4:05 pm.
Cabinet officers relations with White House
-Follow up discussion
-Habits
-Suggestion
-Discussion
-Butz’s role
-Areas of responsibility
-Agriculture
-Weinberger’s role [?]
-Domestic Council [?]
-Messages to Congress
-Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
-Calendar
-Cabinet officers’ responsibility
Environment
-Legislation
-Congressional relations
-Water bill
-US News & World Reports
-Ehrlichman’s statements
-Final draft option paper
-Unknown man’s work
-The President’s schedule
Housing
-Precedent setting
-Taxing
-Projects
-Congressional relations
4
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
-Wilbur D. Mills
-Subsidized low cost housing
-Overbuilding
-Houston
-Los Angeles
-Demand
-Single family housing
-Mills
-Construction
-Mobile homes
-George W. Romney
-Industrialized housing
-Foundation
-Permanent sites
-Statement by Lunn at press conference
-Cuts in subsidized housing
-Family assistance programs [?]
-Regional offices
-Coupons
-Weinberger
-Political orientation
-John Schweitzberg
-Weinberger
-Subsidized housing programs
-Budget cuts
-New proposals
-Sub-standard housing
-Dishwasher
-Role of builder
-Problem
-Relocation of current residents
-State’s role
-Funding
-State’s contributions
-Loans
-Compared to subsidies
-Social Security
5
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
-Elderly
-Family Assistance Plan
-Congress
-Rural economy
-Romney
-Actions
-City housing projects
-Costs
-Developers
-Ehrlichman’s opinion
-Money
-Mortgages
-Congressional relations
-Wright Patman
-William B. Widnall
-Unhappiness
-Pride
-Revenue sharing
-Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee
-John J. Sparkman
-John G. Towers
-Appropriations Committee
-William Proxmire
-Edward P. Boland
-Burt L. Talcott
-Bonds [?]
-Proxmire
-Innovation
-Bipartisan
-Local politics
-New York City [?]
-Charles McC. Mathias, Jr.
-Model cities and urban renewal
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-Congress
-Revenue sharing
-Substitution
6
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
-Cut off of funding
-“Pipeline” effect
-Posture
-Brooke Amendment
-Stabilizing influence
-Segregation of poor within cities
-Miami, St. Louis, Los Angeles
-Identification of low-income housing
-Problems
-Suburbs acceptance
-Low-income housing in South
-Maintenance
-Richmond
-Miami
-Washington, DC low-income housing
-Southeast
-Anacostia
-Andrews Air Force Base
-Effect of economy
-Effectiveness of programs
-Piecemeal treatment
-Options
-Funding levels
-Low-income housing
-Land values
-Developers
-Cities compared to suburbs
-Mass transit
-Property taxes
-Population changes
-Washington, DC
-Moratorium on commitments
-Model cities and urban renewal
-Options
-Weinberger’s role
-Budget
-“Cash basis”
7
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
-Subsidized housing
-Segregation
-Income levels
-Great Britain
-Race
-Great Britain
-Government-built housing
-Sales
-Income assistance
-Conventional mortgages
-New housing
-Relocation of poor
-Cash vouchers
-Success
-Housing availability
-Vacancies
-Trends
-1970s, 1980s
-Elderly
-Country living
-Youth
-Single occupancy lifestyle
-Rent increases
-Rent gouging
-Legislation
-Food stamps
-Packaging
-Matching funds from states
Welfare and housing programs
-Assistance for the poor
-Family Assistance Plan [FAP] [?]
-Food stamps
-Alternatives
-Cash subsidy
-Current programs
-Tax increase
8
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
-Public perception of welfare and assistance
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
-The President’s agreement
-Income strategy
-Compared to food stamps
-Efficiency of government spending
-Clifford M. Hardin
-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
-Housing allowance
-Migration
-New York City compared to other US cities
-Cut off of allowances
-Subsidies
-Federal housing
-Redlining
-Recommendations
-Nelson A. Rockefeller
-Other governors, mayors
-Political attention
-Good ideas
-Delay
-Congressional relations
-Mills
-Russell B. Long
Congressional relations
-Welfare reform legislation
-Timing
-Social Security
-Federal loans program
-Comprehensive bill
-Deadlock
-Vietnam
-Democrats
-Long
-Recommendations
-Healthcare
9
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
-Education
-Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
-Meeting with Weinberger
-National health insurance proposals
-Tax reform
-Healthcare
-Health maintenance organizations [HMDs]
-Kennedy
-National health insurance proposals
-Budgeting
-HMOs
-Experimental program
-“Mixed bag”
-Pilot project
-Demonstrations
-Costs
Government reorganization
-Butz’s opinion
-Counselor for Natural Resources
-Agriculture Department
-Ehrlichman’s opinion
-Interior Department
-Rogers C. B. Morton
-Labor Department
-US News & World Report
-Communication
-Donald E. Johnson
-Administrator of Veteran Affairs
-Speech to employees
-Loyalty
Confirmations
-Swearing-ins
Butz, Lynn and Weinberger left at 4:30 pm.
10
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
The President’s schedule
Meetings
-Lynn [?]
-Duration
-Highlights for the President
-Cabinet meeting
-Duration
-Weinberger [?]
The President’s schedule
-Meeting
Ehrlichman left at 4:05 pm.
Date: February 5, 1973
Time: 2:58 pm - 4:05 pm.
Location: Executive Office Building
The President met with Earl L. Butz, James T. Lynn, Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger and
Stephen B. Bull. The White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.
Seating arrangements
Weinberger’s confirmation hearing
-Questions
-Timing
-Vote
-William E. Timmons
[Photograph session]
Unknown man
-Women [?]
-Age
-Senate
The White House photographer left at an unknown time before 4:05 pm.
3
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
John D. Ehrlichman’s schedule
Stephen B. Bull left at an unknown time after 4:05 pm.
Ehrlichman entered at an unknown time before 4:05 pm.
Cabinet officers relations with White House
-Follow up discussion
-Habits
-Suggestion
-Discussion
-Butz’s role
-Areas of responsibility
-Agriculture
-Weinberger’s role [?]
-Domestic Council [?]
-Messages to Congress
-Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
-Calendar
-Cabinet officers’ responsibility
Environment
-Legislation
-Congressional relations
-Water bill
-US News & World Reports
-Ehrlichman’s statements
-Final draft option paper
-Unknown man’s work
-The President’s schedule
Housing
-Precedent setting
-Taxing
-Projects
-Congressional relations
4
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
-Wilbur D. Mills
-Subsidized low cost housing
-Overbuilding
-Houston
-Los Angeles
-Demand
-Single family housing
-Mills
-Construction
-Mobile homes
-George W. Romney
-Industrialized housing
-Foundation
-Permanent sites
-Statement by Lunn at press conference
-Cuts in subsidized housing
-Family assistance programs [?]
-Regional offices
-Coupons
-Weinberger
-Political orientation
-John Schweitzberg
-Weinberger
-Subsidized housing programs
-Budget cuts
-New proposals
-Sub-standard housing
-Dishwasher
-Role of builder
-Problem
-Relocation of current residents
-State’s role
-Funding
-State’s contributions
-Loans
-Compared to subsidies
-Social Security
5
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
-Elderly
-Family Assistance Plan
-Congress
-Rural economy
-Romney
-Actions
-City housing projects
-Costs
-Developers
-Ehrlichman’s opinion
-Money
-Mortgages
-Congressional relations
-Wright Patman
-William B. Widnall
-Unhappiness
-Pride
-Revenue sharing
-Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee
-John J. Sparkman
-John G. Towers
-Appropriations Committee
-William Proxmire
-Edward P. Boland
-Burt L. Talcott
-Bonds [?]
-Proxmire
-Innovation
-Bipartisan
-Local politics
-New York City [?]
-Charles McC. Mathias, Jr.
-Model cities and urban renewal
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-Congress
-Revenue sharing
-Substitution
6
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
-Cut off of funding
-“Pipeline” effect
-Posture
-Brooke Amendment
-Stabilizing influence
-Segregation of poor within cities
-Miami, St. Louis, Los Angeles
-Identification of low-income housing
-Problems
-Suburbs acceptance
-Low-income housing in South
-Maintenance
-Richmond
-Miami
-Washington, DC low-income housing
-Southeast
-Anacostia
-Andrews Air Force Base
-Effect of economy
-Effectiveness of programs
-Piecemeal treatment
-Options
-Funding levels
-Low-income housing
-Land values
-Developers
-Cities compared to suburbs
-Mass transit
-Property taxes
-Population changes
-Washington, DC
-Moratorium on commitments
-Model cities and urban renewal
-Options
-Weinberger’s role
-Budget
-“Cash basis”
7
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
-Subsidized housing
-Segregation
-Income levels
-Great Britain
-Race
-Great Britain
-Government-built housing
-Sales
-Income assistance
-Conventional mortgages
-New housing
-Relocation of poor
-Cash vouchers
-Success
-Housing availability
-Vacancies
-Trends
-1970s, 1980s
-Elderly
-Country living
-Youth
-Single occupancy lifestyle
-Rent increases
-Rent gouging
-Legislation
-Food stamps
-Packaging
-Matching funds from states
Welfare and housing programs
-Assistance for the poor
-Family Assistance Plan [FAP] [?]
-Food stamps
-Alternatives
-Cash subsidy
-Current programs
-Tax increase
8
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
-Public perception of welfare and assistance
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
-The President’s agreement
-Income strategy
-Compared to food stamps
-Efficiency of government spending
-Clifford M. Hardin
-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
-Housing allowance
-Migration
-New York City compared to other US cities
-Cut off of allowances
-Subsidies
-Federal housing
-Redlining
-Recommendations
-Nelson A. Rockefeller
-Other governors, mayors
-Political attention
-Good ideas
-Delay
-Congressional relations
-Mills
-Russell B. Long
Congressional relations
-Welfare reform legislation
-Timing
-Social Security
-Federal loans program
-Comprehensive bill
-Deadlock
-Vietnam
-Democrats
-Long
-Recommendations
-Healthcare
9
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
-Education
-Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
-Meeting with Weinberger
-National health insurance proposals
-Tax reform
-Healthcare
-Health maintenance organizations [HMDs]
-Kennedy
-National health insurance proposals
-Budgeting
-HMOs
-Experimental program
-“Mixed bag”
-Pilot project
-Demonstrations
-Costs
Government reorganization
-Butz’s opinion
-Counselor for Natural Resources
-Agriculture Department
-Ehrlichman’s opinion
-Interior Department
-Rogers C. B. Morton
-Labor Department
-US News & World Report
-Communication
-Donald E. Johnson
-Administrator of Veteran Affairs
-Speech to employees
-Loyalty
Confirmations
-Swearing-ins
Butz, Lynn and Weinberger left at 4:30 pm.
10
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. Aug.-09)
Conversation No. 408-3 (cont’d)
The President’s schedule
Meetings
-Lynn [?]
-Duration
-Highlights for the President
-Cabinet meeting
-Duration
-Weinberger [?]
The President’s schedule
-Meeting
Ehrlichman left at 4:05 pm.