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Conversation No. 464-7

Date: March 9, 1971
Time: 10:40 am - 11:28 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John L. (“Jack”) Swigert, Jr., William R. Pogue, Jack R. Lousma,
William A. Anders, Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Jeb Stuart Magruder

Introductions
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Astronauts’ visit to schools
-San Diego and three other cities
-Colleges and high schools
-Moods and attitudes of youth
-Space program
-Policies of “the Establishment”
-Vietnam
-Types of sessions Conv. No. 464-5 (cont.)
-Conclusions on students’ appearances and philosophies
-Colleges
-University of Arizona
-Texas A & M University
-Conclusions on students’ attitudes
-University of Miami [Florida]
-James Lovell
-Student questions
-Walter J. Hickel
-Vietnam and Cambodia
-Lovell
-Ho Chi Minh Trail bombing
-University of Utah
-US withdrawal from Vietnam
-Possible scenario
-North Vietnam
-Vietnam policy
-Student attitudes
-Public service
-Indonesia
-Peace Corps
-Draft
-US position
-Korea
-Public relations efforts
-University of Toledo
-Students
-View of Administration
-Interests
-Space program
-Student attitudes
-Vietnam
-My Lai
-Economy
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-Middle East
-Domestic social programs
-Space program
-Discussions with faculty members
-San Diego
-Space program discussions
-Space program
-Importance Conv. No. 464-7 (cont.)
-Information

A photograph

Astronauts’ visits to schools
-Discussions with student body presidents
-An unknown man
-John [Surname unknown]
-Social programs
-Future
-Student attitudes
-Types of meetings
-An unidentified campus newspaper editor
-Business school groups
-Faculty
-Conclusions about student attitudes
-Concerns
-Future
-Grades
-Patsy Hill [?]
-Ohio Wesleyan University
-Appearance of school
-Environmental issue
-Results of “Earth Day”
-Student concerns
-Student influence on society
-Student government
-University of Utah
-University of Arizona
-Trinity College
-University of Arizona
-Need for adult leadership
-Student Congress on National Affairs
-Delegate from Mexico
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-Benefits
-Relations between students and faculty
-Political interest
-Apathy
-Need for involvement
-University of Arizona
-Need for liaison with university community
Conv. No. 464-7 (cont.)
Student attitudes
-Changes
-Teachers
-Leaders
-[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
-Public policy
-Involvement
-Military service
-Race relations
-Selfishness
-Business
-Young faculty
-Effect on youth
-Military service
-Reserve Officers Training Corps [ROTC]
-Peace Corps
-Conscientious objector status
-World War II
-Effect of “the Establishment”
-Press, television, faculty

Faculty attitudes
-Junior members compared with senior members
-Space program
-Vietnam

Environmental issue
-Convictions of activists
-Jean Jacques Rousseau
-Effect of civilization

Doers and thinkers
-Wilson lecture
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-Influences on younger generation
-Media
-Television
-Howard K. Smith
-Students
-Idealism

National spirit Conv. No. 464-7 (cont.)
-President’s view
-Space program
-Supersonic Transport [SST]
-Effect on nation’s greatness
-Spain, France, Great Britain, US
-Space program
-Space shuttle
-Concerns
-Polls
-SST, space program
-Taxes, prices
-Vietnam
-Environment
-Crime
-Foreign obligations
-Faculty
-President’s college experience compared with current situation
-Social concerns
-Space program, SST, Vietnam, federal budget
-Foreign obligations
-Europe after World War II
-US today
-Intellectualism
-Chicago, Los Angeles, New York
-Location
-Toledo
-Yale and Harvard Universities, University of California
-Working classes
-Upper middle classes
-Potential

Photographers entered at an unknown time after 10:40 am
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-Standards
-Space program lessons
-New World explorers

[General conversation]

The photographers left at an unknown time before 11:28 am
Conv. No. 464-7 (cont.)
Youth
-Faculty influence
-Trinity College changes
-An unidentified student under Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
indictment for inciting to riot
-Amherst and Trinity Colleges and women’s divisions
-Faculty influence

Swigert, et al. left at 11:25 am