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476–14
  • H. R. Haldeman
  • Leonard Garment
  • Robert H. Finch
  • Nancy Hanks
  • UNKNOWN
  • Stephen B. Bull
  • Donald H. Rumsfeld
April 9, 1971
Conversation No. 476-14

Date: April 9, 1971
Time: 11:40 am - 1:30 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, Leonard Garment, Robert H. Finch, and Nancy
Hanks

Greetings

Hanks’ visit to Philadelphia arts center, April 8, 1971
-Walter H. and Leonore (Cohn) Annenberg

President’s meeting with movie industry group
-San Clemente, California, April 5, 1971
-Aid for industry
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-Haldeman
-Praise for Hanks
-Garment
-Taft Schreiber
-Columbia Pictures
-Unknown people

Joseph H. Hirshhorn Museum
-Names
-Location
-Mall
-Sculptures
-Architecture
-Modern
-Whitney Museum
-New York
-Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum
-Architecture
-Aesthetics
-Washington, DC
-Possible controversy
-Plans approval
-Possible changes
-Sculpture garden
-Collection
-Appointments to Board of Trustees
-”Therapy”
-Changes
-Easterners
-Schreiber
-Hal B. Wallis
-L. Annenberg
-Jack Hines
-Nathan Cummings
-Waldorf Hotel
-Democrat
-Art collection
-Ted Cummings
-California
-Art collection
-Appointments
-Schreiber, N. and T. Cummings
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-Mrs. T. Cummings
-Instructions to call N. Cummings
-President’s conversation with N. Cummings at Waldorf
-Paul W. McCracken’s meeting in New York
-N. Cummings
-Leigh Block
-Chicago
-H[jorvardur] Harvard Arnason Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Background of group
-Arnason
-Schreiber
-[Lyndon B.?] Johnson
-Hobart Taylor, Jr.
-Bryce N. Harlow
-Mr. and Mrs. T. Cummings
-N. Cummings
-Invitation to White House

John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts

Associated Councils of the Arts
-Annual conference
-President’s possible speech
-Art
-Environment
-Conference title
-”Washington and the Arts”
-Membership
-State arts councils
-Size
-Possible speech topics
-Arts
-Environment
-Mood of country
-Garment, Haldeman, Finch
-Hunter Conference for Children and Youth
-Support for President
-Speech
-Length
-Protestors
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-Garment and Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-Price’s responsibility

Movie industry
-Administration’s program
-Tax incentives
-Peter M. Flanigan
-Foreign films Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Percentage
-Problem
-US producers
-Expense
-President’s meeting with industry group
-Flanigan
-Haldeman
-Opportunities for domestic movies
-US world position
-Costs
-Movie producers
-Jack L. Warner
-Schreiber
-Threat to US film industry
-Export of jobs, production
-Need for strength
-Relation of movies to television
-Anti-trust requirements
-Divestiture
-Possible reversal
-Cost
-Attendance
-Theater owners
-Producers
-Subsidies
-Difficulties
-Congress
-Taxes
-Wilbur D. Mills
-Timing
-Special treatment
-Producers
-Anti-trust
-Foreign imports
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-Tariff barriers
-Imports
-Japan
-Automobiles
-Foreign Trade
-Peter G. Peterson
-Moving pictures, oranges
-Franco Maria Malfatti Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Citrus products
-Hanks’ contacts with artists
-Preserving opportunities
-Television
-Quality of movies
-Compared to baseball
-Public broadcasting
-Quality of movies
-Compared to foreign films
-Types of movies
-Family movies
-Instructions to Hanks, Garment
-Opinion of the President’s daughters
-Walter E (“Walt”) Disney
-Old movies on television
-Opinion of Garment’s children
-Story
-Instruction to Hanks
-Possible study of industry
-Arts perspective
-Subsidies
-Congress
-Quality
-Situation of movie industry
-Need for Administration’s help
-Federal Communications Commission [FCC]
-Dean Burch
-Flanigan
-Haldeman
-Follow-up
-”Therapy”
-Care
-Educational aspects
-Schools
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-University of Southern California [USC]
-University of California, Los Angeles [UCLA]
-Indiana University
-Northwestern University
-USC
-Cost
-Figures
-Interns, fellows Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Film people
-Types of movies
-Stories
-Charlton Heston
-Storytelling
-John Wayne
-Popularity
-Film seen by the President
-Story
-Problems
-Relation with public
-Reflection of national intelligentsia
-Haldeman
-Flanigan
-Necessity of industry to right itself
-Six steps
-Labor policies
-Production costs
-Quality of films
-Need for better movies
-Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
-Jane Fonda
-”Patton”
-”Love story”
-Bob Evans
-”Lawrence of Arabia”
-Television
-Support for literature
-Writers
-Support for music
-Symphonic
-Jazz
-Painting
-Visual
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-Effects of movies
-Young people
-Networks
-Subsidies for movies
-John N. Mitchell
-Anti-trust
-Legislation
-Need for change Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)

Arts and music
-President’s conversation with unknown person
-Watts
-Children and the Arts
-Number
-Art gallery
-Music
-President’s support
-Inspiration
-Effect on youth
-Television
-Instructions to Garment to contact movie industry
-Responsibility of Arts commission
-Quality of movies

Movie industry
-Schreiber
-Studios
-Flanigan
-John B. Connally
-Tax plan
-Quality of movies
-Costs
-Stories
-Comments of unknown writer
-Self-sufficiency of movie industry
-Screen Writers’ Guild
-Commendation for commission
-Finch

Appointments to Board of Trustees of Hirshhorn Museum
-L. Annenberg
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-T. Cummings
-Mrs. T. Cummings
-Wealth
-Home near Hillcrest Golf Course
-Art collection
-Hirshhorn
-Hines
-Eastern Establishment Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-Hirshhorn
-Hines
-T. Cummings
-Hines
-Norton Simon
-Paul N. (“Pete”) McCloskey, Jr.
-Possible meeting with President
-Instructions to Haldeman
-Wealth
-David J. Mahoney, Jr.
-Art collection
-Possible ambassadorial appointment
-Appointment to Board of Trustees

Hirshhorn Museum
-Simon
-President’s view

Simon
-Modern art
-Quality of collection
-Renaissance art
-President’s schedule
-Views on airlines’ problems
-George P. Shultz
-Free enterprise system
-Meeting with President
-Garment’s previous meeting
-Management ideas
-President’s schedule
-Shultz
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Arts budget
-Comments of unknown black New York state senator
-Bronx
-Importance of program
-Support for commission

President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Shirley Taylor Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Picture in newspaper
-Kevin Taylor
-Salute
-Television
-Reaction
-Use of text
-Conclusion
-Finch’s call to President

Movie industry
-Importance
-Relation to television
-Quality
-Support
-Costs

Garment, Finch, and Hanks left at 12:18 pm

Hanks
-Arts appeal

President’s schedule
-Judge Thomas F. Murphy’s call to President

Poll results
-Approval rating
-Changes regarding Vietnam
-President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Rating
-Reaction among those aware of speech
-Consistency of figures
-Figures
-Comparison with press conference
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-State of the Union
-Audience
-President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Analysis
-Favorable
-Unfavorable
-Press conference
-State of the Union Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Cambodia speech
-President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Reaction
-Vietnam withdrawal issue
-Approval of the war
-Shift
-Rate of withdrawal
-Shift in opinion
-Timing of withdrawal
-Immediate
-By end of 1971
-Vietnamization
-Complete victory
-Vietnamization
-Analysis
-President’s plan compared with Democrat caucus
-J. Edgar Hoover and Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
-Approval rating
-Results
-Compared with January 1971
-Analysis
-Retirement
-Age
-Losses
-Lieutenant William L. Calley, Jr. issue
-Approval
-Disapproval
-Vietnam withdrawal issue
-George H. Gallup and Louis Harris polls
-Benchmark
-Timing of polls
-Effects of President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Calley
-Laos
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-Calley
-Laos
-Disapproval
-Undecided, unfavorable
-Solidification of support
-End-of-war issue
-Need for confidence
-President’s problem Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Economy
-President’s approval rating
-Revenue sharing
-Economy

President’s schedule
-Possible use of television at forthcoming American Society of Newspaper Editors
[ASNE] interview, April 16, 1971
-President’s opinion
-Against use of television
-Staff opinions
-Charles W. Colson
-For use of television
-William L. Safire
-For use of television
-Not over-exposure
-Good alternative to press conference
-President’s best forum, question and answer session
-William H. Carruthers
-Against use of television
-Over-exposure
-Vietnam questions
-John A. Scali
-Against use of television
-Media coverage
-Cliff Miller
-Against use of television
-Richard A. Moore
-Against use of television
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-Scali
-Carruthers
-Scali
-Defensiveness on Indochina policy

President’s uses of media
-Television
-Forthcoming appearances Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Press conference
-ASNE interview
-Production problems
-Black-tie dinner
-Written press
-Television
-Cambodian speech
-President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Emotional impact
-Duration
-Withdrawal issue
-K. Taylor
-ASNE interview
-Colson and Safire
-Colson’s views
-Public relations
-Safire’s views

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 12:15 pm

Refreshment

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 12:44 pm

President’s uses of media
-Safire
-ASNE interview
-Possible questions
-Emphasis on Vietnam
-Possible press conference on April 17, 1971
-Film coverage
-Television
-Scali
-Radio
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-Microphones
-Advantages
-Miller
-Television
-Scali and Ronald L. Ziegler
-Coverage of posthumous medal ceremony
-Scali
-Disadvantages to television Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Cameras
-Heat
-Discomfort
-Arguments for television
-Pause for applause after questions
-Another possible television forum
-Chamber of Commerce
-ASNE interview
-Forum
-Chicago Executives Club
-Detroit
-Automobile business

Polls
-Evaluation
-Calley
-Emotional impact
-Predictions
-Partisans

Television
-Unknown person’s opinion on use
-Timing
-Vietnam
-Removing as issue temporarily
-Possible positive news
-Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]

Ziegler entered at 12:44 pm

Ziegler’s press briefing, April 9, 1971
-Summary
-Vietnam
-Impressions and interpretations [of President’s policy by Hugh Scott]
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-Plan
-Withdrawal date
-Conditions of withdrawal
-Vietnamization
-Negotiation
-Reassessment of conditions
-Withdrawal date
-McCracken Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-[Possible resignation from Council of Economic Advisers]
-National Endowment for the Arts
-Budget
-Hanks
-Under-privileged children
-Heston

ASNE interview
-Media
-Television
-Forthcoming ASNE interview, April 16, 1971
-Forthcoming press conference
-Follow-up to ASNE interview
-Vietnam
-Questions
-ASNE interview
-Speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Adversarial format
-As televised issue
-Televised press conference
-Timing
-Disadvantages
-Heat of television lens
-Film
-Radio
-Possible use
-Advantage of audio
-Television
-Film
-Timing
-Television
-Possible news items
-Vietnam
-Economic indicators
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-Howard K. Smith [American Broadcasting System interview with
the President, March 22, 1971]
-Vietnam
-Strategy
-Vietnam questions
-Domestic issues
-Foreign policy
-Speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971 Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Audience
-Impact
-Over-exposure
-Forum
-Scali
-Image, popularity
-Reaction of ASNE
-Written press
-Future use of television
-ASNE use of cameras
-Miller
-Moore
-Scali
-Defensive on Indochina
-Carruthers
-Timing
-Vietnam questions
-Safire
-Contrivance
-Film
-Radio
-Film
-One camera
-Lights
-Set-up
-Kennedy
-Press conference
-Use of camera
-One camera
-Lights
-Black tie
-Television
-Networks
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-Radio
-Audience
-Replay
-Background
-Panel
-Unknown person
-Wire service
-Economic indicators Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Release
-Retail sales
-Gross National Product [GNP]
-Unemployment

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:44 pm

President’s schedule
-Donald H. Rumsfeld and parents
-Henry A. Kissinger

Bull left at an unknown time before 1:04 pm

ASNE interview
-Film
-One camera
-Ziegler’s possible action

President’s schedule
-Saint John’s Episcopal Church
-Transportation
-Walking
-Lafayette Park
-Driving
-Announcement

Rumsfeld, Joyce (Pierson) Rumsfeld, and his parents, George D. and Jeannette (Husted)
Rumsfeld, entered at an unknown time after 1:04 pm

Greetings

Photograph

[General conversation]
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Gifts
-Cufflinks

Rumsfeld’s trip to Europe
-Timing
-Rome, Paris, London
Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
The Rumsfelds left at an unknown time before 1:06 pm

ASNE interview
-Use of media
-Film
-Television
-Reaction
-Film editing problems
-Coverage
-Possible questions
-Vietnam
-Revenue sharing
-Economy
-Washington newspapers
-Vietnam

Press briefing
-Economy
-Inflation
-Summer youth program
-Timing

President’s Easter plans
-Gettysburg [Pennsylvania] church
-Eisenhower
-Minister
-Funeral of Eisenhower
-Gettysburg College students
-Possible demonstrations
-Announcement
-Gettysburg church
-Connection with Abraham Lincoln
-Gettysburg Address
-Networks
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-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
-National Broadcasting Company [NBC]
-Mamie G. D. Eisenhower
-Media coverage
-Appearance
-Demonstration

Demonstrations Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Veterans
-ASNE
-Schedule of events
-Edmund S. Muskie’s endorsement
-Robert J. Dole
-Rennie Davis
-Staff
-Clarification on Muskie’s endorsement
-Muskie
-Revenue sharing
-Aleksei N. Kosygin
-US foreign policy
-Hubert H. Humphrey
-Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
-Muskie

Muskie
-Polls
-Ratings

George W. Romney and Nelson A. Rockefeller
-Polls
-Ratings

Muskie
-Staff difficulties
-Infiltration
-Identity
-Report of infiltrator
-Muskie’s comments at meeting
-Suspicion of disloyalty
-Staff director’s comments
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-Muskie’s comments at meeting
-Mayor’s meeting
-Conflict with staff
-Evaluation

Rockefeller
-Staff handling
-Advice Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)

Muskie
-Staff difficulties
-Responsibility

Muskie’s staffers
-Kissinger
-William A. K. (“Tony”) Lake
-Identity
-J. F. Kennedy
-Old administrative assistant
-Replacement
-New administrative assistant
-Infiltrator
-Conflict
-Cover for infiltrator

Campaign practices
-Humphrey
-Coverage
-E. M. Kennedy
-Coverage
-George S. McGovern
-Coverage
-E. M. Kennedy
-Coverage

E. M. Kennedy
-Judgement
-[Virginia] Joan (Bennett) Kennedy
-Visit to White House
-Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon
-V. J. Kennedy
-Dress
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-Jet set
-Chappaquiddick
-Ethel (Skakel) Kennedy
-Jacqueline Lee Bouvier Kennedy Onassis

Muskie
-Staff difficulty
-Reflection on Muskie Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Staff meetings
-Strategy
-Transcript provided by infiltrator

E. M. Kennedy
-Taping
-Congress
-Bugging
-Hoover

[Thomas] Hale Boggs
-Charges against Hoover
-Congressional Record
-Response by Congress
-House Republicans
-Samuel L. Devine
-Carleton J. King

Richard H. Ichord
-Demonstrators
-Communist front groups
-Publicity for change

Demonstrations
-Size
-Composition
-Organization
-Cambodia demonstration
-Spark
-Organization
-Cambodia demonstration
-Santa Cruz demonstration
-University of California at Santa Cruz [UCSC]
-Acceptance of Haldeman’s son
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-Burning
-Experimental college
-Oxford Plan
-Claremont
-Vietnam
-Dean E. McHenry
-Political scientist
-UCLA Conv. No. 476-14 (cont.)
-Political affiliation
-Congressional run
-Setting
-Fire damage
-Percentage of students involved
-Washington demonstrators
-Motivation
-Ziegler’s experience
-National Collegiate Athletic Association [NCAA]
-Balboa
-UCLA
-Youth
-Meeting with Mitchell and Colson
-Issues
-Youth
-Action
-Interest in business politics
-Revenue sharing
-Haldeman’s conversation with son
-John D. Ehrlichman
-Haldeman’s conversation with unknown woman
-Stanford University
-Harvard University
-Columbia University
-Yale University
-Wellesley College
-Peterson
-Harvard University

President’s schedule
-Travel to church service
-Walking
-Driving
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Haldeman and Ziegler left at 1:30 pm
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