487–5

Conversation No. 487-5

Date: April 23, 1971
Time: 10:40 am - 11:56 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

The President's previous conversation with John A. (“Jack”) Mulcahy


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Mulcahy
-President's schedule
-Possible trip abroad
-Visit
-Ireland
-Helicopter
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Arthur S. Fleming
-Assignment
-White House Conference on Aging
-Stature

Aircraft
-Gen. James D. (“Don”) Hughes' memo to the President
-Use by family Conv. No. 487-5 (cont.)
-Cost
-Secret Service
-Cost to the President
-Hughes' memo to the President
-Purpose
-Use by family
-Jack N. Anderson
-Story
-Secret Service
-Military aircraft
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-President's position
-Money


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-Cost
-Money
-Expenses
-Political contributions
-Cash
-California campaign
-Reimbursements to the President
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-Personal expenses
-Money
-Hughes' memo


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-Problem
-Reimbursements to the President
-Political considerations
-Possible criticism of the President
-President Johnson
-Haldeman's trips to Williamsburg
-Carlisle H. Humelsine
-Payment for lodging
-Personal expenses
-White House staff
-Robert D. (“Bobby”) Baker

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 10:40 am.

The President's schedule
-William L. Safire

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 10:56 am.

Personal expenses
-William P. Rogers and Warren E. Burger
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-Business expenses
-Integrity
-Graham B. Steenhoven
-Trip to People's Republic of China (PRC)
-President's meeting with Rio Grande High School student group
-Merchants
-Money

The President's expenditures
-White House expenses
-Secret Service
-Spending decreases
-Symbolism
-President Johnson’s expenses
-Travel
-\"Cronies\"
-Company for wives
-Hairdresser


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Safire entered at 10:56 am.

Forthcoming Chamber of Commerce speech
-Welfare
-President's speech at Williamsburg Republican Governors' Conference
-Administration position
-Public assistance Conv. No. 487-5 (cont.)
-Guaranteed annual wage
-Wilbur D. Mills' conversation with John W. Byrnes
-Possible House action

The President's speech at Republican Governors Conference in Williamsburg
-Welfare
-Prepared text
-“Ad lib” remarks
-President's mother
-Activities
-Work

Welfare
-President's position
-Self-help
-Capacity for self reliance
-Children
-First step
-Independent businessman
-Possibility of failure
-Loan from rich uncle
-National revulsion
-Governors
-Nelson A. Rockefeller's position
-Ronald W. Reagan's position
-President's speech at Republican Governors' Conference
-Reaction
-Television

The President's upcoming Chamber of Commerce speech
-Words regarding welfare
-Spirit of people
-President's conversation with Haldeman, April 22, 1971
-Free medicine
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-Free housing
-Guaranteed income
-Society
-Theme
-President's position regarding needy
-President's schedule
-Open door hour meeting
-Blind and deaf child Conv. No. 487-5 (cont.)
-Self-help
-Demagoguery

The President's speech at Republican Governors Conference,
Williamsburg
-Welfare women
-Menial jobs


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Welfare
-Administration position
-New York City
-President's position
-Welfare state
-Popular reaction
-Working people
-Views regarding non-workers
-Food stamps
-President's meeting with construction industry leaders
-Upcoming speech
-Blacks
-Blacks and non-blacks
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-Puerto Ricans
-Mexicans
-Whites
-President's speech in 1969
-Family assistance program
-Guaranteed annual income
-President's position
-Material needs Conv. No. 487-5 (cont.)
-Special individual quality
-President's conversation with Haldeman, April 22, 1971
-Self-help

The President's upcoming Chamber of Commerce speech
-Administration's goal regarding work
-Opportunity
-Government's role
-Economic policy
-American business community
-Wording
-Guaranteed annual income

Unknown Texas woman
-Television appearance
-Capitol steps
-Demonstrators
-Remarks on work

The President's upcoming Chamber of Commerce speech
-Freedom phone
-Welfare workers
-Menial tasks
-Self respect
-Definition
-Help from others
-Needy
-Categories
-Deaf
-Blind
-Unemployable
-Mentally retarded
-Older persons
-Rest homes
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-Welfare recipients
-Young people
-Home for the Incurables
-President's visit
-Charity
-Needy
-President’s view
-Improvement in care Conv. No. 487-5 (cont.)
-Quality of care
-Effect of non-workers
-Self-help
-Non-strivers
-Thrust
-Theme
-Welfare rolls
-Figures
-“Loafers and bums”
-California numbers
-Non-workers
-Way of life
-Possible effect

Family assistance
-President's position
-Support for the President
-“Loafers and bums”

Welfare
-President's position
-Character
-Mothers with children
-Work
-Child care

The President's upcoming Chamber of Commerce speech
-Welfare
-Text
-1968 campaign
-Welfare rolls
-Numbers
-Text
-Length
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-Cuts
-Cuts
-Science and technology
-Length
-Cuts
-Length
-Copy
-Text Conv. No. 487-5 (cont.)
-Possible additions
-Bridge
-Character of country
-Government
-Effect on people
-Character
-Text
-Changes
-Notes
-[Forename unknown] Flaherty
-President's meeting with Congressional leaders
-Arthur F. Burns
-Memo
-Writing
-Time
-Safire's schedule
-President's schedule, April 24, 1971
-Camp David
-Time
-Safire's schedule, April 24, 1971
-Courier plane

The President's afternoon schedule
-Visit to David and Julie Eisenhower
-Safire's schedule
-Chamber of Commerce speech

Safire left at 11:15 am

-Plane trip

Public relations activities
-Safire's assignments
-Speechwriting for the President
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Welfare rolls
-Safire's view
-Recipients
-Administration's position
-Numbers
-Welfare workers
-Children
Conv. No. 487-5 (cont.)
People's Republic of China [PRC]
-Memorandum
-Rogers
-Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Haig
-Press Release
-Rogers
-Draft
-Draft release
-State Department
-State Department
-Marshall Green
-Rogers' schedule
-Press release
-Kissinger
-State Department
-National Security Council [NSC]
-Undersecretaries committee
-Ronald L. Ziegler and John N. Irwin, II
-Haldeman's possible conversation with Rogers
-NSC
-Undersecretaries committee
-Irwin
-Press release
-Irwin
-State Department
-Rogers
-Press release
-Haig
-Rogers' schedule
-Costa Rica
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-Press release
-Marvin L. Kalb
-Rogers' schedule

Office of Emergency Preparedness
-Candidates for directorship
-Gen. Leonard F. Chapman, Jr.
-George W. Anderson Conv. No. 487-5 (cont.)
-Chapman

Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
-Lt. Gen. Robert E. Cushman, Jr.
-Lt. Gen. Vernon A. Walters

Marine Corps
-Chapman
-Commandant
-Cushman
-Chapman
-Cushman

Reassignments
-John J. McCloy

CIA
-Walters
-President’s decision
-Kissinger
-Mitchell's view
-Assignment
-Role

Chapman
-Politics
-Loyalty
-Hughes

Marine Corps
-Mission
-Chapman
-Qualifications
-Kissinger's view
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John N. Connally, Jr.

Personnel
-Need for public relations efforts

Department of Transportation
-Secretary
-Donald H. Rumsfeld Conv. No. 487-5 (cont.)
-Rumsfeld
-Qualifications

Personnel
-Clifford M. Hardin
-Rumsfeld
-Richard G. Kleindienst
-Effectiveness
-Mitchell

Mitchell
-Effectiveness
-Qualifications

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-Justice Department

Department of Justice
-John D. Ehrlichman
-Kleindienst
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Kleindienst
-Possible assignment
-Future fole

Ehrlichman
-Attorney General
-Role
-Domestic policy Conv. No. 487-5 (cont.)
-Value
-Justice Department
-Role
-Justice Department
-Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
-Robert H. Finch
-Domestic policy
-Importance
-Possible assignment
-Justice Department
-Attorney General
-Aspirations
-Supreme Court
-CIA
-Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
-FBI
-Directorship
-J. Edgar Hoover
-Assignment
-Role
-Election
-Possible assignment
-FBI
-CIA
-CIA
-Ehrlichman and Walters
-CIA
-FBI
-FBI
-Directorship
-CIA
-Directorship
-Dispositions
-Intelligence activities
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-Aspirations
-CIA
-FBI
-CIA
-Career aspirations
-Supreme Court
-CIA
-NSC Conv. No. 487-5 (cont.)
-Foreign policy
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:15 am.

The President's schedule
-Meeting with Rose Mary Woods

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:27 am.

National secretary week
-Woods

Woods' activities
-National secretary week
-Television
-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] \"Morning Show\"
-\"Today Show\"
-Mike Douglas
-Haldeman's note to Woods
-\"Today Show\"
-Woods' note to Haldeman

The President talked with Bull at an unknown time between 11:15 am and 11:27 am.

[Conversation No. 487-5A ]

President’s schedule

[End of telephone conversation]

Woods' activities
-Television show interview
-Timing
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Woods entered at 11:27 am.

-Tom Jerrell
-American Broadcasting Company [ABC]
-Jerrell's views
-\"Morning Show\"
-Speeches
-Television Conv. No. 487-5 (cont.)
-Los Angeles
-[Unintelligible]
-Format
-Interview
-Speeches
-ABC program
-\"Today Show\"

Haldeman left at an unknown time before 11:47 am.


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Unknown man
-Television documentary music
-\"Victory at Sea\"
-Gift to the President
-RCA Victor
-Woods' possible response

Woods' schedule
-Kentucky Derby
-California
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-Lucy A. Winchester's schedule
-Woods
-Transportation
-Mitchell
-Schedule
-Transportation
-Woods' schedule
-[Forename unknown]Yeager
-Louie B. Nunn
-Mitchell
-Transportation
-Hughes
-Cornelius V. (“Sonny”) Whitney
-Dinner dance
-Woods
-Mitchell and Martha (Beall) Mitchell
-Governor's Derby breakfast
-Massachusetts
-Woods' schedule
-Whitney dinner dance
-Woods' possible call to Hughes
-Mitchell
-Transportation
-Speech
-Winchester's schedule
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Woods' schedule
-Visit to [unintelligible name]

Massachusetts
-Woods' activities
-President's supporters
-President's meeting with Navy League leaders, April 21, 1971
-Unknown man's remarks


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-Universities
-Harvard
-Massachusetts Institute of Technology [MIT]
-Brandeis
-Smith
-Holyoke
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-Boston University
-Boston College
-School system
-Left wingers

[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under court order from
December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v. James M.
Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration
Conv. No.
produced
487-5 (cont
this .)
transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

Press
-President’s view
-Left
-Status
-Woods' conversation with unknown man
-George [Surname not known]
-Harold Rice [?]
-Reporting
-Story
-Secretary's job
-Difficulties

Woods left at 11:47 am.