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504–13

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504–13
  • President Richard M. Nixon
  • Henry A. Kissinger
  • William P. Rogers
  • Stephen B. Bull
May 27, 1971
Conversation No. 504-13

Date: May 27, 1971
Time: 2:42 pm - 4:26 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.

Unknown person's letter to Time magazine
-Tone
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Democrat
-NATO
-Letter

William P. Rogers entered at an unknown time after 2:42 pm.

Lunch
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-Food
-Refreshments
People's Republic of China [PRC]

Mutual and Balanced Force Reductions [MBFR]
-Forthcoming NATO meeting
-Melvin R. Laird
-Rogers attendance Conv. No. 504-11 (cont.)
-European Security Council
-Negotiations
-Reductions
-Strategy
-Germans
-European Security conference
-Berlin issue
-Willy Brandt's comments on May 26, 1971
-Andrew J. Goodpaster
-Defense Department
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Negotiations
-Laird
-Limited, mutual reduction
-Tanks
-Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
-Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield
-Amendment
-Mutual balance
-Final agreement
-Prospects
-Type of reduction agreement
-10% Reduction
-Troops
-Effect on the US
-Manpower
-Tanks
-Symbolism
-Congressional support for administration position
-Europeans
-German Desires
-US strategy
-Pace
-Limited initial goals
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-Final balanced force division
-Complexity
-Europeans
-10% Reduction
-Progress of negotiations
-Prospects
-Role of the US
-Timing Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)
-Force reductions
-10%
-USSR
-Estimation of their response to force reductions
-Studies
-NATO Council
-Kissinger’s conversation with unknown person
-NATO Council
-NATO Allies
-Consultation

Albanian resolution
-US position
-Possible failure
-United Nations [UN] vote
-Important question
-Admission of PRC
-Expulsion of Taiwan
-Prospect of passing
-PRC admitted, Taiwan expelled
-UN Security Council
-Possible advantages of supporting


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration: 30s ]


CHINA
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END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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-Possible political consequences for President
-Young people
-Dual representation
Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[National Security]
[Duration: 13s ]


CHINA


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-US allies
-Taiwan
-Possible UN resolution
-PRC
-Admission by majority vote
-Taiwan
-Expulsion by two-thirds vote
-Prospects for success
-Seat in the Security Council
-PRC
-UN General Assembly
-Taiwan and PRC in the UN
-Issue of Security Council Seat
-US veto
-Credentials issue
-PRC
-Taiwan seat
-US discussion with her allies
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-Speech
-Prospects
-UN


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6 Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)
[National Security]
[Duration: 1m ]


CHINA


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6

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-Future course of US policy
-PRC
-Seat in the UN
-SALT
-USSR
-Effect on USSR in the UN

[Unintelligible]

-PRC initiative
-Ping pong diplomacy
-Possible reaction of US public
-PRC seated in the UN
-Peace in Middle East
-US relations with USSR
-Berlin
-Mutual balance of forces
-Vietnam
-Possible public reaction
-Middle East
-China
-USSR
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-Two Chinas in the UN
-Foreign policy leadership
-Liberals
-PRC
-Seat in the UN
-Expulsion of Taiwan
-China lobby
-Chiang Kai-shek Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)
-Lack of principle
-Intellectuals
-1972 election
-Democrats
-Taiwan
-PRC
-Two Chinas
-Dual UN representation


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
[National Security]
[Duration: 46s ]


CHINA


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7

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-1970 UN resolution on PRC
-Supporting votes
-Abstentions
-PRC
-Inclusion in UN
-Dual representation
-Seat in the Security Council
-UN vote
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
[National Security]
[Duration: 1m 42s ]

Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)
CHINA


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8

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-US relations with Taiwan

Rogers’ forthcoming trip
-Duration
-Instructions for Rogers
-US examination of position


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9
[National Security]
[Duration: 7s ]


CHINA


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9

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-Need for time
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10
[National Security]
[Duration: 25s ]


CHINA Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10

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-Change in US policy on PRC
-Hardliners in Congress and in the press
-China lobby
-Exploration of allied views
-Options
-Press conference

Two Chinas issue
-US policy
-Temporary delay
-Chiang Kai-shek
-President's decision
-News story
-US private discussions on PRC
-Speech
-British
-French
-American Bar Association [ABA] [?]
-Role for Rogers
-Possible speech

[Unintelligible]

-Great Britain
-Chiang Kai-shek
-US approach to other nations
-Possible approaches to be used
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-Possible phrasing of proposal
-How diplomats will respond
-Delay
-Possible consequences
-Chiang Kai-shek
-Delay
-Role for Rogers
-Announcement Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)
-Rogers’ view


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11
[National Security]
[Duration: 18s ]


CHINA


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11

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-Principle
-PRC


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12
[National Security]
[Duration: 25s ]


CHINA


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12
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-ABA [?]
-Timing
-Jacob K. Javits’ and George S. McGovern's resolution
-Forthcoming hearings
-NATO meeting
-Laird Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)
-USSR
-Australia
-Summary of Rogers’ instructions
-Timing
-Possibility of President making a speech
-Senate
-ABA
-Television

Europe
-Franklin D. [?] Roosevelt
-US domestic support
-Reduction of forces
-Need for unity
-UN
-NATO

[Unintelligible]

Dr. David K.E. Bruce's replacement
-Henry Cabot Lodge
-Leonard Unger
-Walter P. McConaughy
-Foreign Service officers
-Public officials
-Vietnam negotiations
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-[Names unintelligible]
-[Forename unknown] Colmer [?]
-Unger
-Knowledge of Vietnam
-Bruce's view of his job
-Colmer [?]
-Laird
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-Charles Nelson [?]

UN appointment
-George H.W. Bush
-Unknown candidate
-Rogers’ choice

Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[National Security]
[Duration: 33s ]


MEXICO


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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-Manlio Brosio
-Medal of Freedom
-Austrians
-Kurt Waldheim
-Austria
-Ceylon
-Africa
-South Africa
-John A. Volpe
-USSR
-U Thant
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 13
[National Security]
[Duration: 31s ]


MEXICO Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 13

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Rogers’ upcoming trip
-Drugs
-Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]

Rogers left at 4:09 pm.

PRC
-Rogers’ views
-Delay
-Tactics
-Delay

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:09 pm.

President's schedule
-Meeting with John D. Ehrlichman and Egil G. (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr. in 10 minutes

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:26 pm.

PRC
-State Department
-Strategy
-Lack of position
-Press conference
-Rogers
-Marshall Green's advice
-Two Chinas
-Principle
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-Selfishness
-Kissinger’s view
-Delay
-Two China position
-Kissinger's visit to PRC
-Universality
-Possible votes in UN
-PRC accepted by majority Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)
-Taiwan expelled by 2/3 vote
-Domestic concerns
-Polls
-Possible announcements
-President
-Tactics
-Credit

Europe
-MBFR
-Reductions
-US position


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[National Security]
[Duration: 11s ]

ITALY


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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-Russians
-NATO

Leadership
-John Foster Dulles style of diplomacy
-Jeremiah
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-Charles A.J.M. De Gaulle
-Seventeen Nation Disarmament Conference
-Nixon
-Intellectual Opinion
-Douglas [?] Dillon's comments to Kissinger
-President’s Vietnam policy
-Kissinger's views
-Soft-line Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)
-Intellectuals
-Position on Nixon in 1972
-Influence
-Senators

MBFR
-Vienna
-Strategy
-Reduction of forces

-Summit
-European alliance
-Rogers
-Advisors
-Tactics
-Competence

PRC
-Rogers trip
-Duration
-Agha Mohammad Yahya Khan
-Message
-Date of delivery to PRC
-Laird
-Pakistani Ambassador
-Kissinger's wire to Karachi
-Laird
-US Ambassador
-Adm. Thomas H. Moorer
-Code
-Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Moorer
-Messages
-Speed
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-Yahya in Lahore
-Message to PRC
-Date of reply
-Chances of a reply
-Presidential visit
-Possible visit of a public emissary
-PRC
-Revolutionaries Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)
-Mao Tse Tung
-Great March
-Visit by the President

Russians
-Leonid I. Brezhnev
-Kissinger's conversation with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin on May 27, 1971
-Trade deal
-$500 Million
-Possible Summit meeting
-Russian strategy
-President's eagerness
-Berlin
-Trade
-Summit
-US desire for a Summit
-Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
-Vladimir S. Semenov
-Announcement
-Kissinger's conversation with Dobrynin
-Antiballistic Missiles [ABM]
-President's foreign policy style
-Possible talking points
-Summit
-Date
-Trade
-Berlin
-Russians need for a Summit
-Kissinger's letters to Russians
-Possible response of Llewellyn E. (“Tommy”) Thompson, Jr.
-Berlin
-Kissinger's cable to [David] Kenneth Rush
-Delay
-US strategy
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-Pace of events
-Summit

PRC
-Kissinger’s planned trip


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Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)

BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[National Security]
[Duration: 1m 5s ]


TAIWAN


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

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Mansfield Amendment
-Meeting in Cabinet Room, May 13, 1971
-John J. McCloy's comments
-Time magazine
-Dean G. Acheson
-Time magazine
-Cyrus R. Vance

Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:09 pm.

President's schedule
-John D. Ehrlichman

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:26 pm.

US politics
-Vance
-Democrats
-Vance
-Secretary of State
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-Edmund S. Muskie
-Democrats
-May 13 meeting
-Hugh Scott
-Meeting of the Arts Council
-Support for the President
-May 13 meeting
-Gratitude to Kissinger Conv. No. 504-13 (cont.)
-Statements attributed to Acheson and McCloy
-Gen. Lauris Norstad
-Vance
-Clark M. Clifford
-Norstad
-Tour of duty with NATO

Kissinger left at 4:26 pm.
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