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  • President Richard M. Nixon
  • John D. Ehrlichman
  • H. R. Haldeman
  • UNKNOWN
  • Ronald L. Ziegler
  • White House operator
  • Abraham A. Ribicoff
  • Stephen B. Bull
January 31, 1972
Conversation No. 661-1

Date: January 31, 1972
Time: 1:28 pm - 3:12 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.
[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]

Welfare reform legislation
-Meeting with Departments of Labor and Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
-John G. Veneman
-Elliot L. Richardson
-Administration line
-Budget deficit
-Abraham A. Ribicoff’s amendments
-Call from the President to Ribicoff
-Desire for reform
-Public statements by the President
-State of the Union address
-Ribicoff’s tactics
-Pilot projects trade off
-Ribicoff’s possible meeting with the President
-Timing
-Hearings
-The President’s forthcoming trip to the People’s Republic of China
[PRC]
-Scheduling
-Russell B. Long, Wallace F. Bennett
-Richardson, Ehrlichman
-Richardson view
-Pilot projects
-Public posture
-Possible Ribicoff meeting
-Long, Bennett inclusion
-Timing
-PRC trip
-Family assistance
-Strength as political issue
-Polls
-State of the Union [?] address
-Ronald L. Ziegler
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


-Liberals
-Ribicoff
-Edmund S. Muskie, Hubert H. Humphrey calls to Ribicoff
-Advocacy of the President’s bill
-Pressure

F. Donald Nixon
-Jack N. Anderson
-Ehrlichman’s schedule
-Lines of White House communication
-Instructions to operators
-Herbert W. Kalmbach role
-Possible telephone
-White House schedule
-Interview with Anderson
-J. Willard Marriott, Sr. role
-Talk with Ehrlichman
-Analogy to James B. (“Scotty”) Reston
-Invitation to Gen. Charles A.J.M. De Gaulle
-Problems
-Howard R. Hughes’s association
-John H. Meier’s role
-Clifford Irving’s biography
-News coverage
-Access to information
-Robert A. Maheu’s role
-John J. (“Jack”) Caulfield
-Noah Dietrich
-Frank Waters’s role

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 1:28 pm.

Unknown item or service

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 1:38 pm.
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


Hughes
-Legal action
-Maheu’s action
-Service of subpoena for a deposition
-[Nevada] Supreme Court ruling

Ziegler entered at 1:38 pm.

Press relations
-Choosing reporters for PRC trip
-Ziegler’s telephone call to James J. Kilpatrick
-Holmes Alexander
-William F. Buckley, Jr. request
-Herbert G. Klein
-US Information Agency [USIA]
-View of Chinese
-Comparison with Kilpatrick
-Television presence
-Position on Taiwan, Republic of China
-Influence
-Alexander
-William S. White
-Columnists on trip
-Washington Post, Washington Star representation
-Smith Hempstone
-Joseph C. Kraft
-White
-Compared to Hempstone
-Kilpatrick
-Nicholas P. Thimmesch
-Alexander
-Compared to White
-Influence
-Number of papers
-Taiwan
-Forum
-White’s qualifications

Ziegler left at 1:43 pm.

Donald Nixon
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


-Meier’s role
-Air West deal
-Anderson
-[Forename unknown] Hillings
-Marriott’s role
-Agreement with Anderson
-Meier’s connection
-Trip to Dominican Republic
-Hughes loan
-Public interest
-Media coverage
-Administration handling
-Innocence
-Proof
-Marriott’s influence with Anderson
-Ehrlichman request
-Anderson
-Marriott
-Anderson use of material
-Problem
-Meier
-Air West
-Kalmbach’s role

Official secrets meeting
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-Television appearance
-Media relations

Anderson column
-Donald Nixon request
-Marriott
-Call from Ehrlichman
-Threat of suit
-Hughes loan
-Ehrlichman’s advice
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


Donald Nixon
-Hughes publicity
-Public perception
-Dietrich’s book
-Loan story
-News coverage
-Newsweek
-Timing
-Irving’s book’s account
-Mike Wallace interview of Irving
-Hughes loan coverage
-Clark M. Clifford role
-Clifford’s reaction
-Irving’s contact with Hughes
-Jimmy Golden’s role
-Jimmy Crosby
-Donald Nixon’s role
-Hughes’s loan
-The President’s view of politics and family
-Book account by Dietrich
-Waters’s view
-Vic [?] Johnson’s role
-Waters’s telephone call to the President
-The President’s reaction
-Service station as security
-Media coverage of Hughes story
-Security for loan
-Dietrich
-Service station
-Present value
-Waters’s view
-Compared to time of loan
-Appraisal
-Market value
-Covenant provisions
-Loan proceeds
-Effect on mortgage and property value
-Use of loan proceeds
-Restaurants
-Handling
-Kalmbach role
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


-White House telephones
-Possible taps
-Logs
-Telephone call
-Timing
-Benefits
-Marriott
-Anderson and Drew Pearson
-Marriott view
-Business relationship with Marriott Corporation
-Airline food service
-Political aspect

John B. Connally’s schedule
-Pittsburgh
-National Security Council [NSC] meeting

The President’s property
-Kalmbach
-Frank De Marco, Jr.


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 6m 15s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7

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-Access to the President’s papers
-Intellectuals
-Ehrlichman’s forthcoming trip to Lyndon B. Johnson Library
-Release of Johnson papers
-Claim
-Talk with archivists
-The President’s use of papers
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


-Assistance
-Pressure on Johnson
-Oral histories
-Douglas Cator
-Swimming
-Abuse of staff
-Cator
-Reason for release
-Walter W. Rostow’s advice
-Johnson book, The Vantage Point (1971)
-Criticism
-Sales
-Walter L. Cronkite, Jr.’s view
-Lesson from Johnson
-Distrust of intellectuals
-Rostow
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Decisions on release
-Johnson role
-Oral history
-Mellowing of public view of Johnson
-Harry S. Truman
-Herbert Hoover

Johnson
-Treatment by Democrats
-Visits from candidates
-Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
-Edmund S. Muskie
-Hubert H. Humphrey
-Ehrlichman visit
-Timing
-Conversation with Johnson
-Volubility
-Ehrlichman visit
-Schedule
-Watching the President’s PRC trip on television
-Mexico
-Brother, Samuel Houston Johnson
-Handling
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


Donald Nixon
-Handling
-Greece
-Dinner with leadership
-Thomas A. Pappas

Preview of Tivoli Gardens project
-Ehrlichman visit
-Rogers C.B. Morton

Ehrlichman’s schedule
-Vernon E. Jordan of Urban League, Maurice H. Stans

Ehrlichman left and Ziegler at 2:15 pm.

Press relations
-Choosing reporters for PRC trip
-Kilpatrick attendance
-White attendance
-Health
-Support for the President
-Alexander
-Buckley
-Kissinger’s view
-Chinese impression
-Buckley support for Chiang Kai-Shek
-Possible criticism of Administration
-Letter
-Alexander
-Availability
-Patrick J. Buchanan
-White
-Kilpatrick
-Buckley
-Buckley influence
-Number of papers
-Joseph W. Alsop
-Availability
-Alexander
-Influence
-Buchanan’s view
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


-Other columnists
-Victor Lasky
-Maury [Surname unknown]
-Thimmisch
-Alexander
-Dallas News
-Justification for choices
-Attempt at balance
-Richard (“Dick”) Wilson
-Joseph C. Kraft
-Stewart J.O. Alsop
-Kraft and Wilson requests
-Balance
-Dallas News
-Courtney R. Sheldon
-Roscoe Drummond
-Background
-Christian Science
-Money considerations
-White
-White
-Health
-Vermont C. Royster
-Drummond
-Geoffrey Drummond
-Wilson
-Position on roster
-Other openings
-Voice of America [VOA]
-Dallas News
-Alexander
-Clark R. Mollenhoff
-White
-Health

Ziegler left at 2:22 pm.


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 4m 43s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10

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The President’s possible speech to black group
-[The President’s appearance at Robert J. Brown testimonial dinner, January 30,
1972]
-Buchanan view
-Benefits
-Possible theme
-Haldeman’s possible talk with Buchanan
-Prospects of support
-South
-Harry S. Dent
-Compared to North
-New York, Detroit, Los Angeles, Ohio
-Richmond
-Atlanta
-White compared to black event
-Timing
-News coverage

The President’s schedule
-NSC meeting
-Kissinger’s view
-Kissinger’s schedule

The President left at an unknown time after 2:22 pm.

The President entered at an unknown time before 2:34 pm.

The President’s schedule
-Revenue sharing meeting
-Benefits
-Ronald W. Reagan and Daniel J. Evans meeting
-Dock strike
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


-NSC
-Boy Scouts meeting
-Past scout meeting
-Agnew’s role
-NSC meeting
-Timing
-Connally testimony
-Conflict in scheduling

[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 2:22 pm and
2:34 pm and requested a telephone call to Ribicoff.]

[Conversation No. 661-1A]

[See Conversation No. 20-2]

[End of telephone conversation]

The President’s schedule
-Press conference
-Reading for the PRC trip
-Reception for White House Conference on Drug Abuse, February 3, 1972

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 2:22 pm.

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 2:34 pm.

-Florida trip
-Timing
-Rationale
-Return to Washington, DC

[The President talked with Ribicoff between 2:34 pm and 2:42 pm.]

[Conversation No. 661-1B]

[See Conversation No. 20-3]

[End of telephone conversation]

Ribicoff‘s possible meeting with Ehrlichman
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


-Welfare reform bill
-Prospects
-Working poor provision
-Ribicoff’s view

White House Conference on Drug Abuse
-Athletes
-Opening by the President
-Briefing
-Reception
-Ehrlichman role
-Federal program
-William P. Rogers role
-Diplomatic strategy, supply
-Myles J. Ambrose role
-Domestic law enforcement
-Dr. Jerome Jaffe role
-Treatment
-Opening
-Publicity
-Television
-Reception
-Experience of gratitude

Scheduling
-Ribicoff
-Florida trip
-Weather
-Timing
-Congressional recess
-PRC preparation
-Camp David
-Benefits of relaxation
-Kissinger view
-Reading
-PRC preparation
-Prayer breakfast

PRC trip
-Gifts
-Recommendations
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


-Kissinger view
-Porcelain swans [“Birds of Peace”]
-Background
-Helen F. Boehm
-For Chou En-lai
-For Mao Tse-tung
-Mounted clock
-Swans
-Public gift
-For Chou
-Mounted clock
-People to people gift
-Trio of live musk oxen
-Delivery
-Photographs of national parks
-Recipients
-Parker pens presentation
-Apollo spacecraft metal
-Mayors of Shanghai and Hangchow
-Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon’s gifts
-Bean birds
-Gorham silver flower arrangements
-Viewmasters
-Titanium parker pens
-Presidential seal
-Recipients
-Redwood saplings
-Hangchow Park
-National Park Service
-Musk oxen
-VOA representation
-Frank J. Shakespeare
-James A. Michener
-Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
-Ziegler
-Benefits
-Bureaucracy
-USIA coverage
-Size
-Restriction
-Columnists
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


-Wilson
-Kraft
-Kissinger
-Value
-Ziegler view
-Kissinger
-Possible columns
-Value
-General schedule
-Reading
-Details
-Need for flexibility

Welfare reform
-Ehrlichman
-The President’s talk with Ribicoff
-HEW

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 2s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12

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-Ziegler’s schedule
-Houston
-Busing
-Budget

Hughes books
-Dietrich
-Irving book
-Publication status
-Sales
-Interest in Hughes
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


-Dietrich book
-Timing of publishing
-Possible confusion with Irving
-Irving’s book
-Publication status
-Public interest
-Compared to movie magazines
-Lana Turner
-Interest in Hughes
-Ehrlichman’s view
-Compared to Charles Manson murder trial

Power of incumbency
The President’s Vietnam peace proposal speech, January 25, 1972
-Brown testimonial dinner
-Reception
-Compared to business groups
-Public contact
-Motorcades
-Press coverage
-Ability to draw crowds

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 2:42 pm.

James R. Schlesinger meeting
-Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

Bull left at an unknown time before 3:12 pm.

Brown testimonial dinner
-Stans
-Brig. Gen. Daniel (“Chappie”) James, Jr.
-Benefit to Brown

Time and Newsweek stories on Kissinger
-Quality
-State Department information
-Bureaucracy
-Quality
-Topics
-Secret negotiations
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)


-Details
-Travel
-Surprise of press
-Kissinger’s social life
-Kissinger reaction
-Kissinger demeanor
-Kissinger sympathy for Prince Klemens von Metternich
-The President’s leadership in decisionmaking
-Kissinger’s executive role
-Cover captions
-Substance

The President’s television appearances
-Vietnam peace proposal speech
-Kissinger
-Preparation
-State of the Union speech
-William L. Safire
-January 1972
-Washington Post story
-State of the Union speech, January 20, 1972
-Dan Rather interview, January 2, 1972
-Cabinet changes announcement
-Mrs. Nixon’s return from Africa
-Quality
-PRC trip
-Repetition
-Public viewing patterns
-Political conventions
-John F. Kennedy assassination
-Moon landing
-PRC trip
-Great Wall
-Forbidden Palace
-Chou En-Lai meeting
-Mao Tse-tung
-Unanticipated opportunities

Telephone call to William F. (“Billy”) Graham
-Graham schedule
-Prayer breakfasts
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 661-1 (cont.)



Bull entered at an unknown time after 2:42 pm.

The President’s schedule

Haldeman and Bull left at 3:12 pm
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