836–9

Conversation No. 836-9

Date: January 9, 1973
Time: 11:09 am - 1:23 pm
Location: Oval Office

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman met with Frederic V. Malek and Stephen B. Bull; the White House
photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

Staff schedules

Photographs
-Ollie Atkins

The President entered at 11:10 am.

Birthday greetings

Maurice J. Williams
-Photograph
-Wife
-Location
-Press room

Bull and the photgrapher left at an unknown time before 11:36 am.

Second term reorganization
-The President's confidence in Malek
-Management skills
-Loyalty of appointees
-Priority
-Compared to intelligence
-Internal Revenue Service [IRS] appointment
-George D. Webster
-Charles W. Colson
-Requirements
-Loyalty
-Tax lawyer
-Roger Barth
-Jews
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-Herbert Stein
-Loyalty
-Tax lawyer
-Chicago
-[First name not unknown] Seidman [?]
-[First name not unknown] Allabrandi [?]
-Northern Corporation President
-Alaman [?]
-Importance
-Webster
-Colson
-Personnel management
-Schedule C appointments
-Campaign loyalists
-Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
-Malek as Deputy
-Roy L. Ash
-George P. Shultz
-Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
-Purpose
-Shultz
-Performance
-Weinberger
-Performance
-Ash
-Manager
-Malek
-Value
-Department of Transportation
-Claude S. Brinegar
-Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.
-Staff
-Management reorganization
-Malek’s plans
-Domestic Council
-Staff cutbacks
-OMB
-White House staff
-Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
-White House staff
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-Career staff
-Secret Service
-Military aides
-Assistant Secretary for Administration within each Department
-Duties
-Defense
-Ash
-George W. Romney
-Shultz
-Commerce Department
-OMB
-Regional officers
-Administration loyalists
-Inspectors General
-Departments
-State Department
-Labor Department
-Peter Brennan
-Picture of the President
-Fitness reports
-Assistant Secretaries for Administration
-OMB

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:10 am.

The President's schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:36 am.

Second term reorganization
-Inspector generals
-Defense Department
-State Department
-William J. Casey
-Ambassadors
-Tricia Nixon Cox
-Frank J. Shakespeare
-Foreign Service
-Frank C. Carlucci
-Armed Services
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-Quality of Personnel
-Enticements of recruiting
-Compared to 1969
-OMB
-Staff transfers
-New recruits
-Criteria for employment
-Political sensitivity
-Nepotism
-OMB
-Peter M. Flanigan
-Ambassadors
-Recruitment
-Shared philosophy
-Regional concerns
-Harvard Law School
-Harvard School of Business Administration
-Harvard School of Medicine
-Henry A. Kissinger and Foreign Service
-Harvard School of Political Science
-Quality
-Harvard School of Diplomacy
-Quality
-Pacifism
-Montana State
-Unknown man
-Under Secretary of Labor
-Czech
-Career history
-Yale University
-Harvard Law School
-Cambridge University
-Brennan
-Regional considerations
-Harvard University
-Yale University

The White House photographer, Ash, John D. Ehrlichman entered at 11:36 am.

Second term reorganization
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-Loyalists

Malek left at 11:36 am.

The White House photographer left at an unknown time before 12:14 pm.

Ash's responsibilities
-Shultz
-Stein
-Economic policies
-Quadriad member
-Wage and price controls
-Spokesman for economic forecasts
-1972 economy
-Predictions for 1973 and 1974
-Congressional spending
-Shultz
-Stein
-Ehrlichman’s memorandum

National economy spokesmen
-Shultz
-Labor-Management Committee
-Wage and price controls
-Farmer
-Food prices
-Congressional spending
-Threat to prosperity
-Full employment budget
-Tax increases
-Ash’s background
-Businessman
-Non-businessmen
-Shultz
-Weinberger
-John B. Connally
-Litton Industries
-Others
-Economists
-Stein
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-Treasury Department
-Arthur F. Burns

Burns
-Performance
-1972 campaign
-Discount rate
-Money supply
-Effectiveness
-Possible relationship with Ash
-Status as economist

Ash
-Washington Post
-Criticism
-The President’s advice
-Noah Dietrich
-Character
-Status in administration
-Confirmation
-Relationship with Cabinet

OMB
-The President's conversation with Malek
-Budget emphasis
-Shultz
-Weinberger
-Lack of management concerns
-Shultz
-Weinberger
-Personnel
-Budget man
-Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
-Management emphasis
-Malek
-Budget concerns
-Samuel M. Cohen
-Professionalism
-Congressional liaison
-Bryce N. Harlow
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-Congressional constituencies
-Meeting
-Harlow
-Ehrlichman
-Ash
-Shifts in job assignments
-Congressional relations
-Cabinet officers
-British Cabinet
-Elliot L. Richardson
-Department of Health, Education , and Welfare [HEW]
-Advocacy
-Defense Department
-Weinberger
-HEW
-Budget officers
-Lack of political judgment
-White House intervention

Budget
-Domestic Council
-Ash’s political judgment
-Reviews
-Earl L. Butz
-James T. Lynn
-Cabinet members with political judgment
-Butz
-Lynn
-Weinberger
-Richardson
-Clark MacGregor
-Rogers C. B. Morton
-Brinegar
-Krogh
-Ash’s relations with Congress
-Eldon B. Mahon
-John C. Stennis
-Wilbur D. Mills
-Impoundment
-Strategy
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-Unemployment
-George W. Romney
-Housing
-Paul H. O’Neill
-Speech
-Lynn
-Impoundment
-Outside assistance
-Carlucci
-Congressional support
-Joseph W. Barr
-Former Secretary of the Treasury
-Shultz
-Former Budget Directors
-Meet the Press
-Thomas Jefferson
-Weinberger
-Briefing paper
-Presidential reaction
-Tax increase
-Congressional reaction
-Analysts reaction
-Taxes
-Weinberger
-Inflation
-David M. Kennedy
-Public relations [PR] strategy
-1974 budget presentation
-Weinberger
-Ash
-Ebenezer Scrooge
-Bipartisan Congressional leaders meeting
-Republican Congressional leaders meeting
-1973 budget
-Support for impoundment
-Kleindienst
-Legality of impoundment
-Taxes
-“No new taxes”
-Polls
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-Gallup
-Taxes
-Spending
-Tax increase
-Social programs
-Thomas J. Meskill
-Connecticut budget
-Nelson A. Rockefeller
-New York
-Polls
-Austerity budget
-Framing the issue
-Domestic spending
-Defense cuts
-Impoundment
-Presidential justifications
-Congressional relations
-Mahon
-Russell B. Long
-Consultation
-Appropriation committees
-New structure
-Henry S. Reuss
-William E. Brock, III
-Mills
-Litton contribution
-Mills School of Public Administration
-University of Arkansas
-Speech
-Taxes
-707 analogy
-OMB

Henry A. Kissinger's telephone call
-Birthday greetings

Ehrlichman and Ash left at 12:14 pm.

Kissinger's letter
-Vietnam settlement breakthrough
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-Protocols
-October agreements
-Congressional relations
-Saigon

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown item after 12:14 pm.

The President's schedule
-William P. Rogers
-Col. Richard T. Kennedy
-Ash
-Cole
-Richard Kennedy

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:20 pm.

-Free days
-Press conference
-Florida
-Appointment times
-Cabinet
-Members of Congress
-Malek
-Donald McI. Kendall
-Types of meetings
-Unscheduled afternoons
-Bull
-Responsibilities
-Haldemen’s responsibilities

Richard Kennedy entered at 12:20 pm.

Henry A. Kissinger's letter
-Vietnam settlement
-Distribution
-Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Richard Kennedy
-Rogers
-William H. Sullivan
-Melvin R. Laird
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-Ronald L. Ziegler
-Press relations

Vietnam settlement
-Prospects
-Kissinger
-Optimism
-North Vietnamese negotiating stance
-Timing
-Congress
-Press
-Canada
-US – South Vietnam relations
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-South Vietnamese people
-Thieu in October
-Haig
-Kissinger
-Birthday greetings
-Report
-Secrecy
-Kennedy’s role
-Haldeman’s role
-Presidential directives
-Birthday gift
-Negotiating strategy
-Haig
-Timing for trip to Saigon
-Political agreement
-Kissinger’s schedule
-Haig’s trip
-Disclosure to Haig
-Creighton B. Abrams
-Kissinger
-Rogers

Kennedy left at 12:30 pm.

The President’s schedule
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Cole entered at 12:31 pm.

Birthday greetings

Relations between Ehrlichman and Cole
-Ehrlichman's PR activities
-Congressional relations
-The President's confidence in Cole

Unknown person entered at an unknown time after 12:31 pm.

Lunch

Unknown person left at an unknown time before 1:22 pm.

Cole's duties
-Ehrlichman
-Presidential schedule
-Haldeman’s duties
-Bull
-Paperwork
-Memoranda length
-National Security Council [NSC]
-Details
-Memoranda
-The President's interest
-Staff Secretary
-Further information
-News summaries
-Paper flow
-Ehrlichman’s duties
-Cole’s role
-The President’s schedule
-Bull
-Ehrlichman’s views
-Impoundment
-Personal meetings
-Domestic Council
-Bryce N. Harlow [?]
-Undersecretaries
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-Assistant Secretaries
-Training program
-Cole's age
-Speeches
-Ehrlichman
-State of the Union
-Radio speeches
-Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-William E. Timmons
-Congressional relations
-Radio messages
-Capital punishment for drug dealers
-Rockefeller
-Polls
-Public support
-Civil libertarians
-Motives


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-Contacts with White House
-Ehrlichman
-The President's interest
-Fight on drugs
-Justice Department
-Public support

Contracts for New York
-Ehrlichman
-AX contract
-Experimental fighter
-Northrup in California
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-Fairchild in Long Island
-Competition
-Presidential intervention
-Competition
-Robert Seamans
-Long Island economic impact
-Grumman
-Fairchild
-Northrup
-California
-Grumman

Frank L. Rizzo
-The President's concern
-Schools
-Grant system
-Treatment by Milton N. Shapp
-Federal actions
-Pennsylvania
-Education money
-HEW
-Philadelphia


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-Shapp
-1972 election support
-1973 Inauguration
-Personal problem

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-Political plans
-Governor
-Personal problem
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Conversation No. 836-9 (cont’d)

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 10:03 pm and
12:52 pm.

[Conversation No. 836-9A]

[See Conversation No. 35-104]

[End of telephone conversation]

Romney
-Transition
-Lynn
-Weinberger

National economy
-Spending
-Taxes

The President talked with the White House operator at 12:52 pm.

[Conversation No. 836-9B]

[See Conversation No. 35-105]

[End of telephone conversation]

Letter to Mills

Spending
-Charles W. Colson
-Congressional relations
-Kenneth W. Clawson
-Ziegler

The White House operator talked with the President at an unknown time between 12:52 pm and
1:22 pm.

[Conversation No. 836-9C]

[See Conversation No. 35-106]
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[End of telephone conversation]

Romney

John A. Volpe
-1972 campaign
-Ambassador
-Secretary of Transportation

Relations between Ehrlichman and Cole
-Paperwork
-Priorities

Cole left at an unknown time before 1:22 pm.

The President's schedule
-Free time
-Meetings
-Cabinet, Quadriad, NSC
-Counsellors
-Congress
-Business labor
-John B. Connally
-John N. Mitchell
-Kissinger
-Colson
-Kissinger
-Telephone call
-Birthday wishes
-Cable
-Conversation with Haldeman
-Gratitude to the President
-Vietnam settlement
-Breakthrough
-Thieu
-North Vietnamese
-Conversation with the President
-Haig
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Herbert G. Klein
-Meeting
-Counselor for communications
-New job
-Press story

Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:52 pm.

Ziegler's schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 1:22 pm.

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:52 pm.

Dishes

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 1:22 pm.

Klein
-Responsibilities
-Counselor for communications
-Cabinet meetings
-NSC meetings
-Press secretary
-Salesman for administration
-Programming Cabinet
-Executive Office Building [EOB]
-Frank Dale
-Uses
-Rose Mary Woods
-Opposition
-Preston Wolfe
-1972 Campaign
-Office of Communications
-Press Office
-Colson’s office
-William J. Baroody, Jr.
-Special Assist to the President
-Letters to editor
-Herbert G. Klein
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-“Attack group”
-Responsibilities
-Staff
-Employment possibilities
-California job
-James S. Copley
-Press coverage
-Baroody
-Anne L. Armstrong
-Staff
-Bicentennial
-Bicentennial Commission
-Counselor to the President
-Executive Director
-Chairman
-David Mahoney

The President's schedule
-Florida trip
-Vietnam settlement
-Negotiations
-Kissinger
-Haig
-1973 Inauguration
-The President’s work
-Inaugural speech
-Personnel
-Congressional messages
-Cabinet meeting
-Congressional leaders meeting
-Budget
-State of the Union speech
-Florida schedule
-Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
-Swimming
-Appearance
-Sun
-Television
-Inaugural activities
-Concert
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-Balls
-Inaugural speech
-Parade
-Trip to Soviet Union
-1972 election
-Inaugural activities
-Parade
-TV coverage
-Balls
-Miss America contest
-Church service
-Radio coverage
-Popularity

Roses
-Delivery

Haldeman left at 1:22 pm.