848–15

Conversation No. 848-15

Date: February 5, 1973
Time: 1:09 pm - 1:58 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

Department of health, education, and Welfare [HEW]
-Patricia R. Hitt
-Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
-Field organization
-Frank G. Carlucci
-Reorganization
-Hitt’s position at HEW
-Hitt
-Rose Mary Woods
-Counsellor
-Possible conversation with Ehrlichman
-Reorganization
-Roy L. Ash
-Value to administration
-Ehrlichman's conversation with the President
-Field organization
-New job
-Labor Department
-Conversation with Ehrlichman
-Extensive travels
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-Europe

White House staffing
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
-1972 election
-Celebrations
-Cabinet appointments
-Vietnam
-Celebrations
-David M. Kennedy
-John A. Volpe
-Peter G. Peterson
-Haldeman
-Art Buchwald
-Peterson
-Peterson’s wife
-Source of stories
-Margot Hahn
-Washington Post
-Georgetown set
-The Establishment
-Compared to Loraine Guyer Percy
-Departure from administration
-Trip
-Letter
-Conversation with Ehrlichman
-New job
-Herbert G. Klein
-Ronald L. Ziegler
-Job offer
-University of Connecticut
-Communications
-Administrative skills
-Fundraiser
-Government grants
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-Conversation with Ehrlichman
-Position with administration
-Problem
-Division of authority on communications
-Ziegler
-Organization chart
-Job hunt
-Haldeman
-Age
-Wealth
-William P. Rogers
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-Jack J. Valenti
-Blackmail
-Conversation with Ehrlichman
-Woods
-United States Secret Service [USSS]
-Presidential detail
-William L. Duncan
-Robert H. (“bob”) Taylor
-Woods
-Haldeman
-Hitt
-Haldeman

Economic policy
-Meeting with Executive Directors of the Pay Board and Price Commission
-Phase III
-William McChesney Martin, Jr.
-Predictions
-Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
-“Issues and Answers”
-Budget cuts
-Defense budget
-Budget cuts
-Opposition
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-Taxes
-Economic growth
-Martin
-Alternatives to taxes
-US News and World Report
-Unemployment
-Projections
-Skepticism
-Positive line
-John B. Connally’s abilities
-Messages
-Phase III
-George P. Shultz
-Market
-Confidence
-Arthur F. Burns
-Credit crunch
-Businessmen
-Control
-War
-Compared to peace
-Uncertainty
-Haldeman
-Support for expansion
-Tax increases, budget cuts

Phase II
-Ehrlichman's view
-Support for controls
-Price Board
-Enforcement
-Banks
-Confidence
-Economic confidence
-Reliability of measurement
-Burns
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-Vietnam War
-Public relations problems
-Businessmen
-Dependence on government
-Paternalism
-Martin
-Federal Reserve
-Mismanagement
-1969-1970 economic downturn
-Burns
-Martin
-Attack
-International monetary situation
-Blame
-Money markets
-Effect
-Connally
-Credit crunch
-Government spending
-Wages
-Inflation
-Shultz
-Tax reform
-Meeting with the President
-Trade legislation
-Wilbur D. Mills
-Tax reform
-Parochial schools
-Elderly real estate
-House Ways and Means Committee
-List
-Administration positions
-Depletion allowance
-Meeting with the President
-Scheduling
-Paper
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-Herbert Stein’s views
-Ash
-Capital gains
-Blanket deductions
-Housing

Ehrlichman's response for mayors
-Housing
-[First name unknown] Brown
-Briefing
-Ziegler
-New York
-Democrats
-John V. Lindsay
-Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.
-Housing
-Congressional leaders’ meeting
-The President's conversation with James T. Lynn
-Moratorium on commitments
-Construction
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-Dams
-Commitments

Congressional leaders’ meeting
-Information for the President
-Elderly
-Disabled
-Veterans
-Housing

Capital punishment
-Richard G. Kleindienst
-Mandatory sentences
-Hard line
-Albert E. Sindlinger
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-Public attitudes

Economic growth
-Carl B. Albert
-The President's strategy
-Tax increases

The President’s meeting
-Housing
-The President's conversation with Lynn

-Weinberger
-Confirmation problems
-Lynn
-Housing
-Earl L. Butz
-Subjects for discussion
-Natural resources
-Farm legislation
-Department of Natural Resources
-Agriculture Department
-Rogers C. B. Morton
-Butz's opinion
-Reorganization bill

Congress
-Frustrations
-Vietnam War
-“Hawks”
-Hard choices

Executive privilege
-US News and World Report
-Number of invocations
-Compared to other Presidents
-Press conference
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Foreign policy
-Preparations
-Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
-Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction [MBFR]
-European Security Conference
-International trade
-International monetary situation
-Problems
-Vietnam War
-Aid from Congress
-Budget
-Tax increases
-Aid for North Vietnam
-Effective date
-Necessity
-Bilateral reparations
-Reconstruction

Budget
-Inconsistencies
-1974 budget
-Briefings
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-Explanations

The President’s schedule
-Domestic problems
-Decentralization
-State of the Union messages
-Timing
-Radio taping
-The President’s editing
-Discussion with Haldeman
-Congressional relations
-Governors
-Press relations
-Meeting with Counsellors, Cabinet, White House staff, public
-Domestic problems
-Public relations
-Cabinet officers
-Shultz
-Meeting during Edward R. G. Heath’s visit
-Great Britain
-Decisions
-The President’s input
-Compared to foreign policy
-Latin America, Africa
-President's involvement in issues
-Phase III
-Energy
-Connally [?]
-International monetary situation
-Shultz
-Tax reform
-Shultz
-Peter J. Brennan
-Dealing with the President
-Special relationship
-Political situation
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-Cabinet meeting
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-Trip to the Southeast Asia
-Philippines
-Commander-in-Chief, Pacific [CINCPAC]
-Hawaii
-Golf
-Kuala Lumpur
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Cabinet, White House staff
-Congress
-Domestic problems
-Meeting with Shultz
-Treasury Department
-Tax reform
-Decision paper
-Ehrlichman’s role
-Advice to the President
-Kissinger
-President's dealings with Cabinet officers
-Note taker
-Ehrlichman’s role
-Shultz
-Persuasiveness
-Trade bill
-Tax reform
-Option paper
-Hearings

Energy
-Option paper
-Connally
-Complexity
-Excitement
-Ehrlichman’s interview with US News and World Report
-Costs of environmental protection
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-Clean air, water
-Costs of environmental protection
-Challenge
-Charles J. DiBona
-Connally
-Meetings
-Private sector
-Peter M. Flanigan
-Meetings with Ehrlichman
-DiBona
-Connally
-Meetings with the President
-Energy problems
-Oil

Ehrlichman left at 1:58 pm.