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516–11
- President Richard M. Nixon
- John D. Ehrlichman
- Egil "Bud" Krogh
- Peter M. Flanigan
- Alexander P. Butterfield
June 10, 1971
Conversation No. 516-11
Date: June 10, 1971
Time: 4:25 pm - 5:18 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John D. Ehrlichman and Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.Conv. No. 516-10 (cont.)
Impressions of Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe
Administration role
-Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
-Drawbacks of bureaucracy
-Sense of mission
-Jaffe dealing with Pentagon
-Earlier military
-Jaffe meeting
-Jaffe demeanor
-Brigadier General [Forename unknown] Gard [?]
-Military commitment to drug program
-Objections to Jaffe ideas
Drugs as an issue
-Attack on drugs
-Problem with statistics
-Department of Defense [DOD] attitude
-Jerry W. Friedheim
-Press relations
-Congressional relations
-Presentation of drug attack
-Narcotics head
-Qualifications
-Myles J. Ambrose
-Qualifications
-US Customs Service
-Future plans
-Dispute between US Customs Service and Bureau of Narcotics and
Dangerous Drugs [BNDD]
-Transfer to White House
-Creation of new position
-John E. (“Jack”) Ingersoll
33
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Effect on Justice Department
-John N. Mitchell
-Attempts to hire Ambrose for Law Enforcement Assistance
Administration [LEAA]
-Background of Justice and Treasury Department competition
-Outside offers
-Competition with Ingersoll
-Personnel
-Need for good man in Vietnam
-General Gard possibility
-Armed Forces attitude
-Memo from President to Melvin R. Laird
-Public relations
-Advertising versus action
-Drug problem
-Use of parasites to destroy poppies
-Dr. Edwin H. Land’s role
-Control of insects
-Problems with insects
-Variable factors
Krogh left at 4:36 pm
Ehrlichman’s schedule
-Peter G. Peterson
-George P. Shultz
Economy
-Railroad prospects
-Revenue sharing
-Taxes
-Tunnel credits
-Internal Revenue Service [IRS] rules
-Impact on economy
-John A. Volpe role
-National Railroad Passenger Corporation/American Track [AMTRAK]
-Ehrlichman’s view
-Volpe and Ray Haas [?]
-Vance Hartke
-Future money needs
-Office of Management and Budget [OMB] prospectus
-Decision affecting employment
34
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Shultz role
-Peterson role
-Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
-Peter M. Flanigan
-Tax write-offs
-Effects
-Use of federal money
-Benefits Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.)
-Increase in spendable income
-Tax cuts as investment stimulus
-Depreciations
-Changes
-Treasury role
-Law suit
-Effect
-Details
-Current disposition
Flanigan entered at 4:42 pm
-Peterson’s role
-Shultz’s role
-Weinberger’s role
-Railroad plans versus personal income tax exemption cuts
-Council of Economic Advisers [CEA] view
-Acceleration of personal exemptions
-Stimulation of business
-Problem of savings
-Stimulate defense spending
Alexander P. Butterfield entered at unknown time after 4:42 pm
Schedule
Butterfield left at unknown time before 5:18 pm
Economy
-Ship building in California
-Flanigan role
-Aid to employment
-IRS rule on tunnels
-Effect on railroads
35
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Alternatives
-Justice Department problems
-Mitchell
-Opposition to mergers
-Rock Island
-Effect on railroads
-Flanigan talk to Mitchell
-Merger positions Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.)
-Richard W. McLaren
-Railroad problems
-Penn Central
-Mergers
-Airline mergers
-Ehrlichman’s study
-Specifics
-Application to railroads
-McLaren
-Justice personnel
-Merger view
-Administration strategy
-Railroad prospects
-John B. Connally
-Aid to railroad
-Passenger service
-Highway Trust Fund
-Railroad crossing money
-Use as basis for aid
-Magnitude of aid
-Use of money
-Legal requirements
-Federal Highway Commission
-Francis C. Turner’s role
-Need to protect business
-Employment emphasis
-Accelerated depreciation tax credits
-Money to consumers
-Tax legislation prospects
-Need for spending
-Weinberger
-Anti-trust concerns
-IRS rules
-Regulatory problems
36
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Weinberger operation
-Need for spending
-Construction project
-Problems
-Appropriations
-General Services Administration [GSA] role
-Congressional problems
-Jacob K. Javits action Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.)
-House Resolution [HR] 1
-Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO] extension bill
-Details
-Payments
-Appropriation for ACTION
-Joseph H. Blatchford
-Future of ACTION
-Shultz
-Administration action
-Job creation
-Money flow
-Housing
-Interest rates
-Subsidizing
-Financing
-George W. Romney role
-Preston Martin role
-Savings and Loans
-Romney role
-Federal Housing Administration [FHA]
-Spending prospects
-Romney
-Volpe
-Highway
-Mass transit
-Congressional problems
-Mass transit money hold up
-Spending
-Weinberger’s view
-Preliminary set up of programs
-Location of spending projects
-California
-Los Angeles
-New York
37
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Pennsylvania
-Illinois
-Mass transit projects
-Los Angeles
-San Diego
-San Francisco
-Bay Area Rapid Transit [BART]
-Shipbuilding in California Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.)
-Breeder reactor
-Orange County
-Announcement of projects
-President’s participation
-Nuclear power plant construction
-Earthquake restrictions
-Railroad problems
-Government takeover
-Problems
-Unions
-Mergers
-Justice Department role
-Benefits
-Airlines
-Pan American role
-Management problems
-Najeeb E. Halaby role
-Donald McI. Kendall
-Problems
-Over-competition
-Trans World Airlines [TWA] prospects
-Service
-Pan American prospects
-Effect of increasing competition
-Anti-trust problems
-Administration image
-Secor D. Browne
-McLaren
-Anti-trust Department
-McLaren role
-View of observers
-Mitchell role
-Qualifications
-Legal skill in decision
38
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Role of legal skill in decisions
-Employment emphasis
-Housing role
-Transportation role
-Location of other funds
-DOD use
-HEW
-Social security Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.)
-Education
-Welfare
-Elliot L. Richardson
-HEW budget
-Research products
-Location
-California
-Dr. Edward E. David, Jr.’s role
-Memo from Ehrlichman
-Appointment with President
-Reason
-Spending of money
-Support of scientific community
-National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
-Environmental Protection Agency [EPA]
-Atomic Energy Commission [AEC]
-California spending
-Veterans’ Administration [VA] hospital
-Yorba Linda
-Breeder reactor construction
-Design contracts
-Willard F. (“Al”) Rockwell, Jr. role
-International trade
-Supersonic Transport [SST]
-Japanese
-William M. Magruder
-Germans
-Concorde
-Japanese agreement prospects
-German/American SST
-Willy Brandt
-Prospects
-Benefits
-French
39
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-English
-Russians
-Administrative regulations
-Javits’ role
-Anti-trust problem
-Legislative strategy
-Congressional blame
-Department of Transportation [DOT] Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.)
-Union problems
-Teamsters
President’s schedule
Ehrlichman and Flanigan left at 5:18 pm
Date: June 10, 1971
Time: 4:25 pm - 5:18 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John D. Ehrlichman and Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.Conv. No. 516-10 (cont.)
Impressions of Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe
Administration role
-Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
-Drawbacks of bureaucracy
-Sense of mission
-Jaffe dealing with Pentagon
-Earlier military
-Jaffe meeting
-Jaffe demeanor
-Brigadier General [Forename unknown] Gard [?]
-Military commitment to drug program
-Objections to Jaffe ideas
Drugs as an issue
-Attack on drugs
-Problem with statistics
-Department of Defense [DOD] attitude
-Jerry W. Friedheim
-Press relations
-Congressional relations
-Presentation of drug attack
-Narcotics head
-Qualifications
-Myles J. Ambrose
-Qualifications
-US Customs Service
-Future plans
-Dispute between US Customs Service and Bureau of Narcotics and
Dangerous Drugs [BNDD]
-Transfer to White House
-Creation of new position
-John E. (“Jack”) Ingersoll
33
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Effect on Justice Department
-John N. Mitchell
-Attempts to hire Ambrose for Law Enforcement Assistance
Administration [LEAA]
-Background of Justice and Treasury Department competition
-Outside offers
-Competition with Ingersoll
-Personnel
-Need for good man in Vietnam
-General Gard possibility
-Armed Forces attitude
-Memo from President to Melvin R. Laird
-Public relations
-Advertising versus action
-Drug problem
-Use of parasites to destroy poppies
-Dr. Edwin H. Land’s role
-Control of insects
-Problems with insects
-Variable factors
Krogh left at 4:36 pm
Ehrlichman’s schedule
-Peter G. Peterson
-George P. Shultz
Economy
-Railroad prospects
-Revenue sharing
-Taxes
-Tunnel credits
-Internal Revenue Service [IRS] rules
-Impact on economy
-John A. Volpe role
-National Railroad Passenger Corporation/American Track [AMTRAK]
-Ehrlichman’s view
-Volpe and Ray Haas [?]
-Vance Hartke
-Future money needs
-Office of Management and Budget [OMB] prospectus
-Decision affecting employment
34
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Shultz role
-Peterson role
-Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
-Peter M. Flanigan
-Tax write-offs
-Effects
-Use of federal money
-Benefits Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.)
-Increase in spendable income
-Tax cuts as investment stimulus
-Depreciations
-Changes
-Treasury role
-Law suit
-Effect
-Details
-Current disposition
Flanigan entered at 4:42 pm
-Peterson’s role
-Shultz’s role
-Weinberger’s role
-Railroad plans versus personal income tax exemption cuts
-Council of Economic Advisers [CEA] view
-Acceleration of personal exemptions
-Stimulation of business
-Problem of savings
-Stimulate defense spending
Alexander P. Butterfield entered at unknown time after 4:42 pm
Schedule
Butterfield left at unknown time before 5:18 pm
Economy
-Ship building in California
-Flanigan role
-Aid to employment
-IRS rule on tunnels
-Effect on railroads
35
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Alternatives
-Justice Department problems
-Mitchell
-Opposition to mergers
-Rock Island
-Effect on railroads
-Flanigan talk to Mitchell
-Merger positions Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.)
-Richard W. McLaren
-Railroad problems
-Penn Central
-Mergers
-Airline mergers
-Ehrlichman’s study
-Specifics
-Application to railroads
-McLaren
-Justice personnel
-Merger view
-Administration strategy
-Railroad prospects
-John B. Connally
-Aid to railroad
-Passenger service
-Highway Trust Fund
-Railroad crossing money
-Use as basis for aid
-Magnitude of aid
-Use of money
-Legal requirements
-Federal Highway Commission
-Francis C. Turner’s role
-Need to protect business
-Employment emphasis
-Accelerated depreciation tax credits
-Money to consumers
-Tax legislation prospects
-Need for spending
-Weinberger
-Anti-trust concerns
-IRS rules
-Regulatory problems
36
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Weinberger operation
-Need for spending
-Construction project
-Problems
-Appropriations
-General Services Administration [GSA] role
-Congressional problems
-Jacob K. Javits action Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.)
-House Resolution [HR] 1
-Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO] extension bill
-Details
-Payments
-Appropriation for ACTION
-Joseph H. Blatchford
-Future of ACTION
-Shultz
-Administration action
-Job creation
-Money flow
-Housing
-Interest rates
-Subsidizing
-Financing
-George W. Romney role
-Preston Martin role
-Savings and Loans
-Romney role
-Federal Housing Administration [FHA]
-Spending prospects
-Romney
-Volpe
-Highway
-Mass transit
-Congressional problems
-Mass transit money hold up
-Spending
-Weinberger’s view
-Preliminary set up of programs
-Location of spending projects
-California
-Los Angeles
-New York
37
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Pennsylvania
-Illinois
-Mass transit projects
-Los Angeles
-San Diego
-San Francisco
-Bay Area Rapid Transit [BART]
-Shipbuilding in California Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.)
-Breeder reactor
-Orange County
-Announcement of projects
-President’s participation
-Nuclear power plant construction
-Earthquake restrictions
-Railroad problems
-Government takeover
-Problems
-Unions
-Mergers
-Justice Department role
-Benefits
-Airlines
-Pan American role
-Management problems
-Najeeb E. Halaby role
-Donald McI. Kendall
-Problems
-Over-competition
-Trans World Airlines [TWA] prospects
-Service
-Pan American prospects
-Effect of increasing competition
-Anti-trust problems
-Administration image
-Secor D. Browne
-McLaren
-Anti-trust Department
-McLaren role
-View of observers
-Mitchell role
-Qualifications
-Legal skill in decision
38
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Role of legal skill in decisions
-Employment emphasis
-Housing role
-Transportation role
-Location of other funds
-DOD use
-HEW
-Social security Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.)
-Education
-Welfare
-Elliot L. Richardson
-HEW budget
-Research products
-Location
-California
-Dr. Edward E. David, Jr.’s role
-Memo from Ehrlichman
-Appointment with President
-Reason
-Spending of money
-Support of scientific community
-National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
-Environmental Protection Agency [EPA]
-Atomic Energy Commission [AEC]
-California spending
-Veterans’ Administration [VA] hospital
-Yorba Linda
-Breeder reactor construction
-Design contracts
-Willard F. (“Al”) Rockwell, Jr. role
-International trade
-Supersonic Transport [SST]
-Japanese
-William M. Magruder
-Germans
-Concorde
-Japanese agreement prospects
-German/American SST
-Willy Brandt
-Prospects
-Benefits
-French
39
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-English
-Russians
-Administrative regulations
-Javits’ role
-Anti-trust problem
-Legislative strategy
-Congressional blame
-Department of Transportation [DOT] Conv. No. 516-11 (cont.)
-Union problems
-Teamsters
President’s schedule
Ehrlichman and Flanigan left at 5:18 pm
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